Lets see or hear about the tax refund purchases.

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Well . . . I guess if you say so . . . that settles it.
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But who put you in charge of deciding who deserves to pay higher taxes?

Perhaps you should read this and think about it.

Dave
 
Should also be noted $99,000 sounds well and good, but on a tax return that also is $49,500 each for a husband and wife working. If you and your spouse went to college and have a mortgage, kids, car payments, and student loans, you may find out this isn't as high on the hog as it sounds. You may make your payments and hopefully put a little away for retirement and the kid's college (as your kid won't qualify for student loans or other federal programs) but probably no beach houses or whatever you think may happen at that level. In our area a secretary for the state who works as a checker at Walmart over nights and weekends to make ends meet married to a hired hand on a local grain farm could qualify for this level of income. Sounds pretty upscale to me.
 
I find that comment bordering on offensive. You have no idea how much money I have to turn to make a decent living. Are you going to take me in every fourth or fifth year when weather or business activity causes me to LOSE money?

If I'm not disciplined to put some back, I'd starve in lean years. The way the tax code is being structured now it makes it harder and harder to save anything for those times. If the government changes the rules to the game and start taking medicare and social security out of my dividend checks (like the current administration has suggested), I may end up with an injury that disables me for an extended period of time.

I'm probably making minimum wage if I counted up all the hours I have to put in to keep a small business going.

I'll cry you a river when you start taking the risks I do for what small reward I receive.

I apologize to the rest of the forum for the rant. Mods, feel free to remove it if you feel I crossed the line. Let's get this thread back on topic.

It doesn't appear I'll be getting a refund. But, I'm saving up to buy a cheap, small smoker to try some cheese on.
 
This has gone downhill...

Sorry for the fun thread. As mentioned... if you didnt get a refund, you could live vicariously through the other ones of us.

Maybe I'll start a thread... Biatch and Complain about tax codes and laws here.
 
Being that I have never smoked anything before combined with all the research and posts I read on here, I decided to go out and get myself one. The chargriller duo w/ sfb pictured in my signature. Of course I couldnt stop there, I went on to get lots of accessories, spices, and wood for my upcoming cooks. I couldn't be happier right now with the decision made to purchase it!
 
I understand your intent and apologize for contributing to the downhil trajectory of your thread. But maybe you could start one that's titled "Lets see or hear about the recent smoking gadget purchases".
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It shouldn't be a huge surprise to you that taxes would be a touchy subject for some. Some folks don't see a refund (if they see one at all) as a windfall, they see it as a way to catch up on bills, pay for needed repairs and other necessities. And suggesting that "if you didnt get a refund, you could live vicariously through the other ones of us" kind of adds insult to injury.

Dave
 
I thought it was a fun thread, & a good idea.

but you are always going to have folks who like to drag things down.
 
how many of your would run out and buy a new cooking gadget if your income was suddenly 99k a year? how many on this forum would be happy if them and the spouse made $99k a year combined

DDave-please go drink somewhere else, in america we want people who know why they pay the debt of taxes to provide safety and security so old fat men can get stupid drunk cooking up critters, some of us dumber ones take 16-25 hours to do it LOL.

that homeless drug addict or welfare mom may be the parent of the next marine that goes and dies on a dirty piece of earth somewhere for my freedom, you bet they can give him milk on MY DIME.
 
Fishman, don't fret that this thread veered. One of the most important components of friendship is to be able to debate and discuss things you disagree on and not only talk about things where you feel the same. If you only discuss things you agree on, a friendship can be more of an echo chamber than dialog.

With that being said, we all should disagree with each other on forums like we would in person--in a respectful manner. Keep it clean, but keep it up, our differences is what makes us valuable to one another, in addition to our common interests.

My 2 cents on welfare/wealth distribution topic: I donate time and money through my church and other local charities. I am happy to do so. I am not however, happy to do so when being compelled by the government.
 
My wife and I got one of those Tempurpedic knock off beds. This has to be one of the best investments that I have made. No more sore backs, and when I get up in the morning I feel really rested. For 360 bucks it can't be beat.
 
I'm sure many would and I'd be happy for them. I wouldn't suddenly say it's unfair and they need to pay more taxes. And by the way, my income never went suddenly to 99K a year. I was not "born into" money. I worked my ass off for what I have. Ten years at a mill and it shut down and I was suddenly out of a job. So I went back to college and my wife worked two jobs for 5 years (double major) so we could survive. There were times when we were scraping nickels and dimes together to buy bread and milk. How dare you judge me for what I have worked for and achieved. You don't know what we went through nor do you know what our situation is now.

I know very well why I pay taxes and am more than happy to pay my share. I won't piss and moan and play the "It's not fair cause he has more than me. Tax the hell out of him." class envy game that some like to play.

By the way, I see you have a custom Bellfab smoker. I just have a Walmart Smoke N Pit and a UDS. Should I be pissed because you have a better smoker than I do? Should I say "Clearly JDT is better off than me and that's not fair?" Of course not. I don't know you or what you may have had to do to get what you have. And it's none of my business anyway.

Not sure where that came from. I don't recall saying anything about not wanting to help those in need or supporting the troops. Both of which I do with donations IN ADDITION to paying my taxes.

Dave
 
I want to officially put it in the record that on this date and time, I am biting my tongue so I don't say something that I shouldn't.

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Many of us have and still are
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I'am kinda sorry I got on this thread, as it looks like I got into the makins of World War 2 1/2. But I still love my Temperpedic knockoff. I guess its not much to say for a guy that only makes 29K a year, but then I try to keep it simple in my older years.
As we used to say in the 60's PEACE BROTHER!!!!!!!
 
Find your history book from college, eventually this concept was called the WMB, colonial term, but basically for the last 10,000 years or so the people that had money and power helped those without, this is how leaders were born, even god kings wanted to keep their slaves alive and fed and watered them, eventually taxes were invented so the person in power could share some of the Burden of providing for those less fortunate.

you posted some tired joke about leaving america, I never once said you fell into money or had it all along, the last comment is the only thing directed to you. I pay my share of taxes and thank the above for what I have. Be it less or more than the man next to me. If anyone is struggling on 99k a year then they can take solice nowing that guys making less than that are giving $50 to the food bank this month to help them out when down, by the way the median household income in america is about half the 99k used as an example, NJ leads the way at about $61k and change, thats HOUSEHOLD, be thankful for what you have, period.
 
Well, since we're not talking about the same thing anymore (kind of made the Professor's point) and since this thread has run far enough off the track already, I'll just bow out by saying that I am VERY thankful for what I have and I applaud your generosity.

Dave
 
Congrats on the new bed! My wife and I got one of those last year and love it. I have 'the jimmy legs" as my friend Cosmo Kramer would say and the temper bed allowed my wife and I to both sleep.
 
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