Possible Help For Arthritis?!

[mneeley490]

You’d sure think so… but at this point I have zero trust in Doctors. Seems years ago most got into the field to help people… anymore just feel as I am number and as said above… the bill beats you home. Money, money, money is what most care about. Not very trusting these days of much… be it medical or other…

I think that is a result of small medical offices being bought out by large corporations, pushing profit.
My doctor's office has been sold twice now, to ever larger corporations. On the plus side, there's no more hour+ waits; they get you in quickly. On the negative side, they try to get you out just as quickly, and I think the quality of care suffers.

A few years ago, I had surgery on my right shoulder to repair a broken bone and torn tendon. After I woke up, the doc told me there was some arthritis in there also, so he just scraped it out. Huh? You can do that? Apparently so.
But now I'm pretty sure I have it in my right hand. Don't know it it's RD or Osteo. Stiff and sore every morning, but every time I mention it, they just seem to shrug.

 

[zwiller]

borax, which is a natural mineral mined in the U.S.

I was exposed to boric acid from a very young age as an eye wash. Found out from a bug guy it is one of the safest pesticides there is. Actually kills roaches and termites. Reading up on elemental boron might be mind blowing to some. Borax has many uses but my fave is low odor fungicide.

Back on foods. I also find it sorta mind blowing that food cravings are typically a sign of deficiency.

 

[radioguy]

Not sure of marijuana laws of where you live. We use a combination of Voltaren cream and a CBD oil infused menthol/camphor roll on stick. Also many many other choices at a dispensary near you.

RG

 

[voyager 663rd]

personal exp with voltaren--useless.

 

[jcam222]

Boron....that is what is in raisins that is suppose to help with arthritis. Here are some facts for you. The drinking water in Israel is naturally high in Boron. The average person living there takes in between 15-30mg of boron daily just from consuming the RDA of water. Now here's the data-there is no instance of osteoporosis or arthritis in the indigenous population of Israel. Now Contrast that to Jamaica where the island is practically devoid of boron and there is a 78% instance rate of both combined. There are 80+ year old men and women walking around in Israel- fully upright, no slouching. Bone densities look like 20 year olds.......on a Dexa Scan....

Boron is also great at freeing up bound up testosterone in men. 20mg along with 300mg DIM and some ZMA (zinc magnesium supplement) has made a big difference for me. For arthritis and general inflammation check out an herb called cissus.

 

[Rafter H BBQ]

Boron....that is what is in raisins that is suppose to help with arthritis. Here are some facts for you. The drinking water in Israel is naturally high in Boron. The average person living there takes in between 15-30mg of boron daily just from consuming the RDA of water. Now here's the data-there is no instance of osteoporosis or arthritis in the indigenous population of Israel. Now Contrast that to Jamaica where the island is practically devoid of boron and there is a 78% instance rate of both combined. There are 80+ year old men and women walking around in Israel- fully upright, no slouching. Bone densities look like 20 year olds.......on a Dexa Scan....

That’s amazing! Any suggestions on a daily dose of boron? I’ve seen anywhere from 10-30 mg. but just wondering if there is a suggested daily amount?!

 

[indaswamp]

That’s amazing! Any suggestions on a daily dose of boron? I’ve seen anywhere from 10-30 mg. but just wondering if there is a suggested daily amount?!

I have seen 5-10mg suggested. I take 10mg/day.

 

[gmc2003]

I've known two people with severe arthritis over the years. One moved from VT to Arizona for the dry heat and she said it was like a miracle. She felt 100% better after the move. The other friend would sting himself with honey bees. He'd swell up that day and fell great the next.

Chris

 

[bill1]

personal exp with voltaren--useless.

For me it's been a game-changer. I use the (topically-applied) generic diclofenac from Costco (MUCH cheaper than Trade name Voltaren). It's allowed me to significantly reduce my oral intake of ibuprofen. Like IB, it's an NSAID, so is doing your kidneys no long-term good, but I'd like to believe that when applied locally, a higher percentage goes into the tissues that hurt (in my case, knees) than into the blood stream feeding your kidneys as for orally-taken pills.

I've tried natural anti-inflammatories like large doses of turmeric, capsaicin, & black pepper, but they truly were useless for me. Never heard of using boron, but I think grapes and wine have just as much B as raisins so take this as advice to go buy a couple bottles of wine. It's not that B is a natural ingredient of grapes, but it's a common soil additive by vintners for better crops.

I doubt the gin is adding anything to the party but as a sedative. I'm a fan of soaking dried and fresh fruit in pure grain alcohol and I personally attest eating fruit that way (particularly on ice cream) does make one feel better!

But if you find pain relief in NSAIDs like ibuprofen but are concerned about kidney effects, I'd sure consider a topical NSAID like diclofenac, assuming your pain is localized to knees or hand arthritis, and not just "I ache all over". I can relate to that too, but I find if you address the pain heavy-hitters, you can be more active, improve posture, etc...all positive health outcomes.

EDIT: if you really need 10mg/dy of B, that's like 10-20 glasses of wine per day, or a couple bottles per meal, so don't try this at home kids. Kinda' funny...boric acid used to be a common burn cream and general ointment. (I am still nursing the last of a 30-yo tube of Borofax...great stuff.) But the fear of oral ingesting of the B caused it to be outlawed for everything but insecticides and soil treatments. But today, when it comes to dietary supplements, I guess you can sell just about anything.

 

[bill1]

I've known two people with severe arthritis over the years. One moved from VT to Arizona for the dry heat and she said it was like a miracle. She felt 100% better after the move. The other friend would sting himself with honey bees. He'd swell up that day and fell great the next.

Chris

+1 on moving to dry-heat climates. I'm not-so-hip to the bee stings.

 

[zwiller]

Do not forget, if it's bad enough, cortisone shot. Simple cheap and works immediately. Uncle is DR and against surgery but says the shots are fine.

 

[voyager 663rd]

Do not forget, if it's bad enough, cortisone shot. Simple cheap and works immediately. Uncle is DR and against surgery but says the shots are fine.

but there's a limit to that as well: 3-4/yr OR when it stops being effective. I do much prefer a one and done so to speak than regular 'applications/shots/etc'

Not always possible (basal joint arthritis here) but sometimes you need to avoid those exertions that cause the pain.

 

[zwiller]

Boron is also great at freeing up bound up testosterone in men. 20mg along with 300mg DIM and some ZMA (zinc magnesium supplement) has made a big difference for me. For arthritis and general inflammation check out an herb called cissus.

+1 GREAT STACK! Will check out cissus but do the DIM/ZMA already. Lately been swapping holy basil for DIM. But before that tried TMG and think it was better. I am always playing around with mine. Zinc + Mg are a MUST us older apes.

 

[JLinza]

Justin, my Grandma had RA bad for a long long time. She started drinking tart cherry juice and it helped her alot.

 

[Fueling Around]

This testosterone support has me thinking to Dr Amen. He feels testosterone is the first thing to start for aging male treatment of ... well aging.
There are opponents to this as some feel it increases the chance of prostrate cancer.

 

[yankee2bbq]

@Brokenhandle My wife makes these 4 tinctures:

1. Chamomile (anxiety but the tea works the same),
2. mullein (dry coughs),
3. lemon balm (anxiety, also works for the herpes virus like cold sores etc),
4. yarrow (for external wounds)

The wife learned how to make from ‘She Is Of the Woods’ videos, which generally is chop up fresh plant matter, put in a glass jar with 100-proof vodka, sit 6-8 weeks and strain. It's best to research drop amounts & how often to take but typically it's like 15-20 drops up to 2 or 3 times a day.

Banjo man out.

 

[Brokenhandle]

@Brokenhandle My wife makes these 4 tinctures:

1. Chamomile (anxiety but the tea works the same),
2. mullein (dry coughs),
3. lemon balm (anxiety, also works for the herpes virus like cold sores etc),
4. yarrow (for external wounds)

The wife learned how to make from ‘She Is Of the Woods’ videos, which generally is chop up fresh plant matter, put in a glass jar with 100-proof vodka, sit 6-8 weeks and strain. It's best to research drop amounts & how often to take but typically it's like 15-20 drops up to 2 or 3 times a day.

Banjo man out.

Thanks!

Ryan

 

[zwiller]

Found this is a Reddit thread for arthritis supps. Threw some of this in my Amazon cart. Mostly for my Mom who is really struggling with it (knees).

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8560605/

 

[Fueling Around]

Started Boron supplement. Thanks Keith @indaswamp . Happily very inexpensive.
Starting with a double dose to try slow my arthritis

@Brokenhandle My wife makes these 4 tinctures:

1. Chamomile (anxiety but the tea works the same),
2. mullein (dry coughs),
3. lemon balm (anxiety, also works for the herpes virus like cold sores etc),
4. yarrow (for external wounds)

The wife learned how to make from ‘She Is Of the Woods’ videos, which generally is chop up fresh plant matter, put in a glass jar with 100-proof vodka, sit 6-8 weeks and strain. It's best to research drop amounts & how often to take but typically it's like 15-20 drops up to 2 or 3 times a day.

Banjo man out.

Yarrow is a wonder for stopping topical bleeding.
I had a bleed on my nose many years ago and the dermatology PA treated it with cryo cauterizing. Stated it wasn't cancerous but one of the things that occurs. I was already there to get a skin tag removed off my eyelid that interfered with my vision
Had the nose bleed reoccur earlier this year. Applied Yarrow extract 3x daily for a few days and gone without the scaring from the the cryo treatment

Found this is a Reddit thread for arthritis supps. Threw some of this in my Amazon cart. Mostly for my Mom who is really struggling with it (knees).

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8560605/

D‐mannose
Another supplement to add to the list.

Boron is also great at freeing up bound up testosterone in men. 20mg along with 300mg DIM and some ZMA (zinc magnesium supplement) has made a big difference for me. For arthritis and general inflammation check out an herb called cissus.

Look into Ashwagandha for boosting testosterone. It it a common ingredient in many of the OTC supplements.

 

[Winfred]

This was a turning point for me. I use (topical) generic diclofenac from Costco (MUCH cheaper than brand name Voltaren). It has allowed me to significantly reduce my oral ibuprofen intake. Like IBS, it is an NSAID, so it does not benefit your kidneys in the long term, but I would like to believe that when applied topically, a higher percentage gets into the tissues that are hurting (in my case, my knees) than into the bloodstream that feeds your kidneys, as oral pills do.

I have tried natural anti-inflammatories like high doses of turmeric, capsaicin, and black pepper, but they have been really useless for me. I have never heard of boron, but I think grapes and wine contain as much vitamin B as raisins, so take that as a tip to buy a couple bottles of wine. It's not that vitamin B is a natural ingredient in grapes, but it's a common soil additive that winemakers add to the soil to improve yields.

I doubt that gin adds anything to the holiday other than a calming effect. I'm a fan of soaking dried and fresh fruit in pure grain alcohol, and I can personally attest that consuming fruit this way (especially with ice cream) really does make you feel better!

But if you're getting relief from NSAIDs like ibuprofen but are concerned about the effects on your kidneys, I would definitely consider a topical NSAID like diclofenac, provided your pain is localized to your knees or arthritis in your hands, and not just "everything hurts." I can understand that too, but I think that if you can manage the severe pain, you can be more active, improve your posture, etc... all of which are positive health effects. Also to reduce the amount of ibuprofen I took I tried to distract myself with psp games, anime and taking all my attention and neteller casinos https://casinologin.mobi/neteller-casinos/ some of the pain away from thinking about it.

EDITORIAL: if you really need 10 mg/day of vitamin B, that's like 10-20 glasses of wine a day or a few bottles at a meal, so don't try this at home, kids. Funny enough... boric acid used to be a common burn cream and general ointment. (I'm still living through the last tube of a 30-year-old tube of Borofax... great stuff.) But the fear of oral vitamin B has led to it being banned from use in everything except insecticides and soil treatments. But these days when it comes to supplements, I think you can sell almost anything.

Interestingly, for many, topical NSAIDs really make a difference — there’s less strain on the body, and joint pain is better controlled than with pills. I’ve also noticed that with diclofenac gel, you can stay more active without the constant “background” in your stomach or kidneys.

But with supplements and “natural alternatives,” I have a similar experience — many of these either work very poorly or are almost imperceptible in real life, no matter how much they are praised.