nothing I do keeps the AMNPS going non stop!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by bigforkg, Jun 4, 2015.

  1. bigforkg

    bigforkg Newbie

    I just about had it with this thing! I put the pellets in the oven for 4 hours last night at 185°, I know because I had a thermometer with the pellets, with the door cracked open to let any moisture escape.  It will not go longer than one and a half hours before it completely out. It's not lack of air I put it in my Char-griller 50-50, and if you know this grill it has plenty of holes and gaps. My pellets are from Amazing and are sealed in a mason jar.

    So do I toss it? Put a air pump? Or get a smoke daddy or other version of?

    The only reason I purchased it was because it's supposed to work WITHOUT electricity.  If I put pump then what's the point could have purchased a different brand. If I have to bake the pellets the that takes more time and LOTS more electricity than a 7 watt aquarium pump vs a 3000 watt oven times 2 or 3.

    Mail box mod is out of the question I'm not cutting up a smoker purchasing a mailbox and tubing to make this thing work.
     
  2. are your vents wide open ?
     
  3. hoity toit

    hoity toit Master of the Pit SMF Premier Member

    let the pellets burn 20 mins or so first,,don't give up the Amazn smoker works, and dont pack the pellets, leave em pretty loose. leave all vents wide open
     
    Last edited: Jun 4, 2015
  4. bigforkg

    bigforkg Newbie

    I have let it burn in the open for 15 min before putting it in. I have even blown on it and the pellets get red hot and starts a flame again. I'm not packing it but I am filling it a little past the top. Far a air it gets more than enough.
     
  5. crazymoon

    crazymoon Master of the Pit SMF Premier Member

    BF, If you got the pellets going as you stated then it seems you have an air problem. The bottom vent and top vent need to be open to get draft to the pellets. Not sure what type of smoker you have but you need to draw air in from the bottom and vent at the top with a decent air flow ?
     
  6. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    I can't find in any of your posts where you live, and you didn't put it in your profile, so we can't help you with some things.

    If you live at a high altitude, get an Amazing Tube Smoker.

    If you live at a low altitude, check out this thread:

    http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/140859/how-i-light-my-amnps-w-video-link

    Remember you have to keep blowing on that burning pellet cherry until it's big & deep into the bottom of the row.

    Also:  I fill mine to about 1/4" to 3/8" from the top---Not too full.

    I also let my flame go out & blow on it until it lights up again---About 8 times before I put it in. Don't quit so early.

    Bear
     
    Last edited: Jun 4, 2015
  7. bigforkg

    bigforkg Newbie

    I live in Bigfork MT 3000 elevation. It was 65° no rain, no wind, humidity 32%. I've had this same problem since day one so I decided to try it in my gill that I knew had more than enough air intake 4 inch with a 3 inch exhaust. I use a butane torch to start it, I use that for about 1 min to 2 min then let it flame as long as it wants, then sit for 15 min before it goes in.
     
  8. Welcome to the Forum

    Gary
     
  9. dirtsailor2003

    dirtsailor2003 Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    I have the tube smokers AMNTS that Todd sells. I never have any problems with them staying lit. I am at about 3600' but I have also used them at sea level, and at higher altitudes. I originally bought the tube smoker because at the time I was primarily using my gas smoker and that was what was recommend due to the low oxygen levels that exist when burning propane. Don't think I've ever heard a complaint about the tube smokers.
     
  10. also if you have a water pan in your smoker you will have problems keeping the pellets smoking ....... been there ..... take it out and replace with a pan of sand or rocks covered with foil
     
  11. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    OK----That's at least a big part of your problem.

    You should talk to Todd about getting a Tube Smoker. They work much better at high altitudes. A 12" Tube would work Great for you.

    I get too much smoke with the Tube, because I live at a low altitude, and I have trouble keeping it down, but the AMNPS works Great for me because of the low Altitude.

    Bear
     
    Last edited: Jun 5, 2015
  12. bmaddox

    bmaddox Master of the Pit

    You could also try using alcohol gel to start it. @daRicksta  has had good success with that. 
     
  13. daricksta

    daricksta Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Thanks, @bmaddox. It's made lighting the AMNPS extremely easy and trouble free. However, I bought mine at Lowes and they only had it in cans that were designed to be used as outdoor table top burners. I have to spoon the stuff out of the can and onto the pellet smoker which is a little bit of a hassle and a little messy. But I got six cans in the pack so I've got plenty. Some years from now when those are all used up I'll buy the RUTLAND Gelled Fire Starter that comes in a squeeze bottle from Todd. That's what I had been looking for and thought I was buying at Lowes.
     
  14. daveomak

    daveomak Smoking Guru OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Pellets need to be dried at 275 if you want them dry.... 185 is NOT above the boiling point of water.... dry for 2 hours + to get rid of the internal moisture in the pellet.... One other member mentioned a water pan..... steam displaces the air in the smoker and pellets will not burn...... If you are using cherry wood pellets, they will not burn....
     
  15. daricksta

    daricksta Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    So, you're using the AMNPS in the firebox of your Char-Griller or are you placing it under the cooking grate on the charcoal side? At the end of 1 1/2 hours it's gone out? Do you have unburnt wood pellets left? If so, how many rows?

    I did some reading up on your grill and I did see that there are gaps and holes which let air in and make it harder to control heat and to snuff out the fire after you're done cooking. But if your AMNPS goes out with pellets left unburnt, somehow the pellet tray is being smothered by the accumulation of smoke or something wherever you have it placed. I have a MES 30 Gen 1 and after I learned to light it properly and place it in my smoker where there was plenty of airflow I have zero problems with it going out before all the wood pellets have turned to ash.

    The key here is that if the AMNPS burns freely and for hours on the ground outside the smoker then the problem lies within the smoker.

    I agree with Bear that you should contact Todd about the Tube Smoker and see if something can be arranged. At the very least he'll offer you very good advice. All I know is that since I've been using the AMNPS the Q I produce is on a par with anything I've had at BBQ restaurants.
     
  16. ak1

    ak1 Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    I've found it easy to start using unscented hand sanitizer(it's 70% alcohol, and cheap). Iv'e got 20 lb bags of pellets that sit in my garage all year round and open.  I loaded up the AMNPS half full, put a squirt of the hand sanitaizer on, light it up, blow out the flame after 10min or so, and it smoked for almost 6hrs.
     
  17. daveomak

    daveomak Smoking Guru OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    If you are using propane and/or briquettes, there probably isn't enough oxygen left for the AMNPS to burn.....
     
  18. woodcutter

    woodcutter Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    I've been using my AMNPs for a few years now with out problems. I was out of pellets so I picked up a bag of apple from Menards. I've microwaved and dried them in the oven. The pellets will light outside of the smoker but will not continue smoking no matter how many coals. A different brand solved the problem.
     
  19. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    I heard about that Hand Sanitizer. There are guys I know who use it in their Charcoal chimey instead of newspaper to avoid the burnt newspaper ashes blowing all around their yards.

    I haven't used any yet, but I have a big bottle of that squirt Gel I got for my Harman Pellet stove if I need it. I got that in case my Pellet Stove igniter would quit working in the middle of Winter, but it didn't quit.

    Bear
     
  20. ak1

    ak1 Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    It works great, and cheaper than the gel fuel. Just make sure you get the unscented stuff and make sure it is alcohol based.
     

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