I know this is a meat oriented site BUT now I'm paranoid about left over rice!

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I've had Montazuma's revenge and want to steer clear of ANYTHING that might cause it again.
Nothing quite like sitting on the pot with the squirts and having to hold a trash can to puke in, and doing both at the same time.
Talk about a weight loss program!
 
Same with fully cooked baked potatoes wrapped in foil from a restaurant taken home and left on the counter is a risk for Clostridium Botulinum from dirt the pathogen lives in, in an anaerobic environment. Other than Norovirus, being the most common foodbourne pathogen for food poisoning Clostridiiun Perfringens is probably the most common anaerobic spore former foodbourne pathogen, causing food poisoning. The three spore formers that don't die in acidic environments like vinegar or boiling water and wait to turn vegetative and grow, producing their toxin that cause their disease turn vegetative in anareobic cool soups, cooked cooled damp packed room temp rice etc. All other foodbourne pathogens that their disease is the organism is dead to never return after cooking until you put poop on it where these pathogens originate in our food. Spoilage bacteria, yeasts, molds and fungus do not cause foodbourne illnesses and they eat what we eat and produce waste you see, smell and taste that'll make you gag, puke from a sweet viscus liquid called milk and turn it chunky, putrid and awful tasting. Spoilage pathogens don't cause a foodbourne illness vs a foodbourne pathogen that is invisible, odorless and tasteless at high dangerous levels. If you smell your food you are checking for trivial spoilage pathogens and tells you to throw it away when you see fuzz, smell it and taste it being off and they grow at low temps in the fridge whereby the three spore formers and the other foodbourne pathogens need a little warmer temps other than Listeria and maybe another that can slowly grow at almost freezing. I as well as others many years ago got food poisoning from chxn and dumpling soup. The batch made by my BIL was cooked, then slowly cooled in a garage that was above 40* in November and hauled the next day 3 hours for Thanksgiving dinner. This would be one or two of the three undead spore formers of Bacillus Cereus and or Clostridium Perfringens. That boiling didn't kill them. There wasn't even enough time for spoilage pathogens to re contaminate and grow that you see, smell or taste. After you properly cook something, it's all about the three spores folks that may or may not be in your prepared foods. That's why those of us that Sous Vide always have an ice water bath in the fridge to quickly cool vac sealed anaerobic bags if not opening right away to finish for service. Those quickly cooled sealed vac bags are now fridge stable for 28 days below 38* and up to 90 days below 37*. When you properly cook something (prepared foods not intact whole muscle meat) never forget about the 3 spores. It's these three bastards that sealed cans have to be pressure heated to 15psi to get to 250* without boiling for 20 minutes and slowly cooled to kill them which means sterilization.
 
Same with fully cooked baked potatoes wrapped in foil from a restaurant taken home and left on the counter is a risk for Clostridium Botulinum from dirt the pathogen lives in, in an anaerobic environment. Other than Norovirus, being the most common foodbourne pathogen for food poisoning Clostridiiun Perfringens is probably the most common anaerobic spore former foodbourne pathogen, causing food poisoning. The three spore formers that don't die in acidic environments like vinegar or boiling water and wait to turn vegetative and grow, producing their toxin that cause their disease turn vegetative in anareobic cool soups, cooked cooled damp packed room temp rice etc. All other foodbourne pathogens that their disease is the organism is dead to never return after cooking until you put poop on it where these pathogens originate in our food. Spoilage bacteria, yeasts, molds and fungus do not cause foodbourne illnesses and they eat what we eat and produce waste you see, smell and taste that'll make you gag, puke from a sweet viscus liquid called milk and turn it chunky, putrid and awful tasting. Spoilage pathogens don't cause a foodbourne illness vs a foodbourne pathogen that is invisible, odorless and tasteless at high dangerous levels. If you smell your food you are checking for trivial spoilage pathogens and tells you to throw it away when you see fuzz, smell it and taste it being off and they grow at low temps in the fridge whereby the three spore formers and the other foodbourne pathogens need a little warmer temps other than Listeria and maybe another that can slowly grow at almost freezing. I as well as others many years ago got food poisoning from chxn and dumpling soup. The batch made by my BIL was cooked, then slowly cooled in a garage that was above 40* in November and hauled the next day 3 hours for Thanksgiving dinner. This would be one or two of the three undead spore formers of Bacillus Cereus and or Clostridium Perfringens. That boiling didn't kill them. There wasn't even enough time for spoilage pathogens to re contaminate and grow that you see, smell or taste. After you properly cook something, it's all about the three spores folks that may or may not be in your prepared foods. That's why those of us that Sous Vide always have an ice water bath in the fridge to quickly cool vac sealed anaerobic bags if not opening right away to finish for service. Those quickly cooled sealed vac bags are now fridge stable for 28 days below 38* and up to 90 days below 37*. When you properly cook something (prepared foods not intact whole muscle meat) never forget about the 3 spores. It's these three bastards that sealed cans have to be pressure heated to 15psi to get to 250* without boiling for 20 minutes and slowly cooled to kill them which means sterilization.
Thanks for the info. Good read.
 
I've read this and immediately dismissed it. Anyone with a functional immune system is not going to have a problem. I'm not saying there arent bacteria...like everywhere, but think about it...how has all of Asia survived this long? Does anyone really think they are getting this technical on the temps and times of leftovers?

If a person has immune problems, allergies, IBS or other existing problems, they should be very careful, but there has been a LOT of food waste due to this kind pf paranoia. To each their own, but I have stored many a foodstuffs in many ways for many days and dont make me or my wife sick. I have known people who will throw away food that has simply reached its best by date they are so paranoid...as if its a "this will kill you after this date".

I DO believe that if you live your life in a protective bubble, your body may have bad reactions to bacteria that enters your bubble. Your immune system needs practice.
 
That and gut instinct . Pretty much the same thing I guess .
You're gonna get sick from someone else way before you make yourself sick .
Talking fried rice with JJ . He told me to cook the rice ahead of time . Let it cool and hold in the fridge a day or two so it drys out . Then use it in stir fry . That's how I do it now . Comes out fantastic .
I like that answer. Makes perfect sense to me.

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Ah, more nuanced, circumspect, and reasonable analysis from that well-regarded scientific journal <checks notes>... Better Homes & Garden dot com? Note the admission (right at the end, of course): "But really, bacteria can grow in pretty much any food that's not stored correctly and can make you sick." Someone alert the Pulitzer committee!
 
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Talking fried rice with JJ . He told me to cook the rice ahead of time . Let it cool and hold in the fridge a day or two so it drys out . Then use it in stir fry . That's how I do it now . Comes out fantastic .
Yep, nearly every recipe for it. Fresh rice will not be the same. There is a "real" Chinese place in town I love to go to for a couple of their dishes (they sell the crap Americans love too, but I'm there for actual Chinese food). I get a Sichuan crispy fish dish in an amazing sauce and hoover up the entire bowl of it, right from the bowl, no rice, no distractions, straight in my face. The rice they bring to the table comes home with me (and yes, might even sit the the vehicle for a couple hours while I'm shopping :emoji_anguished: ) and I make fried rice with it some days later every time.
Ah, more nuanced, circumspect, and reasonable analysis from that well-regarded scientific journal <checks notes>... Better Homes & Garden dot com? Note the admission (right at the end, of course): "But really, bacteria can grow in pretty much any food that's not stored correctly and can make you sick." Someone alert the Pulitzer committee!
It's called "click bait" of course. Some people buy into it and actually change their life around some of it. Many never read the entire article to the end like you exampled. Always amazed me how people get whipsawed by media and forget there was a time eggs and avocados were going to kill us...if you bought in to the media health scares of the day. Now both are "superfoods"!
 
I've practiced "safe rice" for a few years now. I cook/eat a lot of rice. I'll let left overs cool on the counter for no more than a half hour, then into the fridge. Never had a problem, before or after this procedure. If I have left overs from a meal out, and am not going home right after leaving the restaurant, I won't take the rice. Cheap and easy enough to make fresh when eating my left overs. Safety first.
 
So now rice can kill me too?
If I understand it, letting hot rice cool down too slowly and then refridgerating and THEN reheating it is verboten?
My response is to eat what I can when hot out of the cooker, then bag and rapid chill in ice water.
Will this allow me to re-heat re-heated rice a second time?
Can't even remember how many times I've violated the left over rice rule and can't remember getting sick.
HI! Rice : How long was it left out ? A few hrs or over night ?
Refried rice is a good way to use it!
You fry it up from the cold state, adding vegs and meats you have on hand.
and lastly add an egg or 2 depending on what your quantity is ?
Lets say it was 4 hrs? I would boil it or nuke it before using.
Take a slight taste,if its fowl ? Say good bye !
Generally most Restaurants keep rice, pasta for hours precooked until needed .
Hope that helps ?
 
I don't eat a lot of rice but my wife does. So much that she has a Zojirushi rice cooker. It keeps it hot until you are ready to refrigerate it. They are real cheap to buy. :emoji_money_mouth:

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:emoji_joy::emoji_joy::emoji_joy: Growing up in Hawaii everyone leaves their rice out. I still do. Everyone I know and everyone here should be dead by now, Hahaha! Never worry about it myself. Ive seen rice out for a couple days and still get eaten, just saying.
 
:emoji_joy::emoji_joy::emoji_joy: Growing up in Hawaii everyone leaves their rice out. I still do. Everyone I know and everyone here should be dead by now, Hahaha! Never worry about it myself. Ive seen rice out for a couple days and still get eaten, just saying.

That's why I said "how has all of Asia survived this long?"

This is clearly a "first world" problem. But we DO have real diet problems in America. Growing up, I never heard of any kid going in to anaphylactic shock from freaking peanut butter...never heard of any kid having any food allergy that I remember. We drank from hoses and public water fountains in the parks and our parents grilled on those public park grills everybody used. Sometimes the grilled chicken legs were still pink on the inside...yet the burgers were horribly overcooked, nobody had an instant read thermometer! If you dropped your ice cream on the ground, you picked it back up and ate it, not even thinking a dog might have left something there.

I'm not saying we should go out of our way to ingest bacteria, and anyone concerned should "do themselves" and handle what goes in to their face accordingly, it's just amazing to me how people can be "led". I've been there, and believed ridiculous stuff in the past.
 
I don't eat a lot of rice but my wife does. So much that she has a Zojirushi rice cooker. It keeps it hot until you are ready to refrigerate it. They are real cheap to buy. :emoji_money_mouth:

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My wive calls her Zojirushi her “rice baby”. This is the ONLY rice cooker! The others are….well NOT rice cookers…LOL!!! On the serious side we will always have one of these they….perfect rice no matter what….oh and the sticky rice it makes is beyond good!!!!
 
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