Thanks! Now it's 5 to 1 ketchup in the lead!I love everything about that meal and will be using the "cheddar in the center" trick on my next meatloaf effort, which will be very soon after seeing this Steve, Like! I've never had canned spinach, fresh a few times, mostly frozen. They have it now so I take the bag right from the freezer and toss it into the micro for five minutes, perfect every time. When it comes out you can do whatever, garlic-butter, sour cream, anything you like. And yes, ketchup is mandatory on meatloaf. RAY