I would like to keep this a civil discussion and an informative one with all input wanted in this conversation.
What I want to address specifically are these new curing compounds and the need or necessity of them. We have celery powder and the new Ecocure that’s currently being talked about. Clearly these products contain nitrates or nitrites but in a natural form. So they are extracting nitrate from fruits, vegetables and or root crops, then processing that extraction to reduce the nitrates to nitrites for a cure #1 replacement and not for a cure #2 replacement. I do understand that nitrates are somewhat naturally found in some ground, but most of that fertile ground has now been depleted except for actual flood plains along river bottoms where more nitrates can be deposited. However, the vast majority of agricultural land is not being naturally flooded from a river system. So for the most part crops are fertilized with synthetic nitrates because nitrates help crops thrive and produce more for harvest.
So how exactly does celery grown in ground fertilized with synthetic nitrate then uptake that nitrite (which it does) then convert that evil poison into a “natural” nitrate? What is natural about todays nitrate?
Todays food chain is such that synthetic nitrates are in everything. Want to use manure for fertilizer? Where did that animal get the nitrate from? Feed stuff which was fertilized by synthetic fertilizer, it’s in our rivers and streams as well, it’s called tail water and runoff. Heck I bet bat guano is all synthetic nitrates because the bugs they eat are exposed to it or consume it. From golf courses to backyards to open crop land synthetic nitrates are used.
Some people are afraid of synthetic nitrate but it’s everywhere. That leafy salad to celery to beets and potatoes and radishes, we consume volumes of nitrates that were applied to the soil as synthetic and then absorbed by the plant as “natural “ nitrate. This makes zero sense.
The nitrate/nitrite scare started in California back in the 70’s. The 70’s and the 80’s were decades of food wars. Everything was going to kill you or shorten your life.
Beef was high In cholesterol, eggs were the same but chicken was just great. This was no joke. They devastated the beef and egg industry as well as processed meats. There was a war on bacon back then and lunch meats. That just didn’t resonate with the public that well then. It’s all crazy, butter would kill you, that’s how we got margarine to gain a foothold in the market. Most all of this has changed today, we love meat, dairy and eggs. Butter in everything because it’s delicious, but what they call “synthetic nitrates” is still bad.
This is all because of the possibility of the formation of nitrosamines. This is a possibility in the right conditions but is not settled science. The USDA says nitrates/nitrites are safe and required in some products. Think of this, the government regulates virtually every thing in your life. I can’t buy the good pesticides to spray my garden or farm fields without a license, can’t buy a gun but what a license is involved, can’t drive a car without a license it goes on and on. Did they just forget to force a license on buyers of nitrates? You can buy this stuff and put it on your garden or lawn or you can buy cure #1 or #2 and make food with no restrictions. Dangerous much?
Sorry for the long rant but appreciate the feedback.
What I want to address specifically are these new curing compounds and the need or necessity of them. We have celery powder and the new Ecocure that’s currently being talked about. Clearly these products contain nitrates or nitrites but in a natural form. So they are extracting nitrate from fruits, vegetables and or root crops, then processing that extraction to reduce the nitrates to nitrites for a cure #1 replacement and not for a cure #2 replacement. I do understand that nitrates are somewhat naturally found in some ground, but most of that fertile ground has now been depleted except for actual flood plains along river bottoms where more nitrates can be deposited. However, the vast majority of agricultural land is not being naturally flooded from a river system. So for the most part crops are fertilized with synthetic nitrates because nitrates help crops thrive and produce more for harvest.
So how exactly does celery grown in ground fertilized with synthetic nitrate then uptake that nitrite (which it does) then convert that evil poison into a “natural” nitrate? What is natural about todays nitrate?
Todays food chain is such that synthetic nitrates are in everything. Want to use manure for fertilizer? Where did that animal get the nitrate from? Feed stuff which was fertilized by synthetic fertilizer, it’s in our rivers and streams as well, it’s called tail water and runoff. Heck I bet bat guano is all synthetic nitrates because the bugs they eat are exposed to it or consume it. From golf courses to backyards to open crop land synthetic nitrates are used.
Some people are afraid of synthetic nitrate but it’s everywhere. That leafy salad to celery to beets and potatoes and radishes, we consume volumes of nitrates that were applied to the soil as synthetic and then absorbed by the plant as “natural “ nitrate. This makes zero sense.
The nitrate/nitrite scare started in California back in the 70’s. The 70’s and the 80’s were decades of food wars. Everything was going to kill you or shorten your life.
Beef was high In cholesterol, eggs were the same but chicken was just great. This was no joke. They devastated the beef and egg industry as well as processed meats. There was a war on bacon back then and lunch meats. That just didn’t resonate with the public that well then. It’s all crazy, butter would kill you, that’s how we got margarine to gain a foothold in the market. Most all of this has changed today, we love meat, dairy and eggs. Butter in everything because it’s delicious, but what they call “synthetic nitrates” is still bad.
This is all because of the possibility of the formation of nitrosamines. This is a possibility in the right conditions but is not settled science. The USDA says nitrates/nitrites are safe and required in some products. Think of this, the government regulates virtually every thing in your life. I can’t buy the good pesticides to spray my garden or farm fields without a license, can’t buy a gun but what a license is involved, can’t drive a car without a license it goes on and on. Did they just forget to force a license on buyers of nitrates? You can buy this stuff and put it on your garden or lawn or you can buy cure #1 or #2 and make food with no restrictions. Dangerous much?
Sorry for the long rant but appreciate the feedback.
