jamaican curry goat

Discussion in 'Lamb' started by moikel, Feb 24, 2012.

  1. moikel

    moikel Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Followed your recipe & only tweaked it because I didnt have pineapple juice & ran out of green onions. Its my sort of food style but its not done much down here. Really big in UK & Canada . Have done a bit more research.This curry goat thing is intriguing same ingredients mostly. Hotly debated as to what's the real deal ,some regional variations between Barbados,Trinidad,Jamaica. Also a lot rivalry , local pride,& good natured(mostly) trash talk about who has the right way of doing it.  I cook a lot of curry.Would it be an issue if I  stuck it in this thread given that its not smoked/grilled. 
     
     
  2. moikel

    moikel Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Missed a photo,got some good colour,little crispy in spots as well. Cut came with what we call flap(belly) .Would have trimmed it on a bigger goat..Got to find a supplier with next size up say 12-15kg nett.[​IMG]
     
  3. zzerru

    zzerru Meat Mopper

    You made me drool on my keyboard. I love curried goat!
     
  4. moikel

    moikel Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    I now have the recipe sorted,it will combine some Jamaica &Barbados styles with a bit of a tweak from me. I cant get the brand of West Indian curry powder I  want,its called Tropical Sun so I  will be going with some curry powder we get here that comes from the Indian community in Fiji.

    If I  cant get the right size goat its going to be case of subbing Alpaca in off the bench.I have a big bit of topside in the freezer.Stay tuned.
     
     
  5. moikel

    moikel Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    I think I found the right size goat a couple of suburbs away.Just a matter of  finding where the Indian sub continent community buy their meat.

    Next issue I found out that Caribbean curry powders are not identical to Indian ones even though thats the ancestry. No chilli,you put that in fresh, mustard seed,all spice ,nutmeg ,cinnamon,cardamon ,not to much cumin a few other things.I will make my own.

    The best looking curry goat the cook doesnt let out the full process for the prying eyes of tv viewers.So I will have to wing it after a certain point, no surprise there.

    I know there are a couple of members waiting for me to try to recreate the real deal curry goat.So if its not a problem Im just going to continue it in this thread.
     
  6. moikel

    moikel Master of the Pit OTBS Member



    Goat is in the house![​IMG]  Found the butcher shop that gets 12 full goats a week. About 13kg average. Bought it as goat pieces,looks like its everything run through the band saw bone in,shank,rib ,brisket,neck & shoulder. Delivery is tomorrow so I figured Id take it as precut this time,shoulder next time.Only paid $10 a kg.[​IMG]

    I will post photo later.If you look at it next to last batch you will see straight away the difference in meat colour & fat level.

    I will grind the curry powder from scratch & post that at same time.I will make it as close to what I  can figure is a Caribbean blend.

    I may start this today but wont cook until weekend. I'm going to have to wing it,the version I posted about earlier will be my guide but the cagey old Jamaican on the TV didnt show the full process & when the white English TV host cooked it he didnt show any part of process.[​IMG]

    If it interests people I can do the Fijian Indian version which is closer to home & also very highly regarded but different.Lot of East Indian people got out of Fiji over the last 20 years,military coups overthrowing elected governments will do that. Some pretty good cooks landed here.
     
     
  7. moikel

    moikel Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    This is it washed in water &  bit of[​IMG]  lime juice.Why wash it ?Because the old Jake on TV guy said "Is trah dish on mon " Also helps with bone chips from band saw.

    Curry powder next time.
     
  8. moikel

    moikel Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Curry powders are a funny thing,I make a few but mostly I  buy them because there's so much here from the Indian/Asian makers imported or made locally. Paste is a whole different thing. I cant buy caribbean powder here they are different so I had to make it. I worked out they dont put chilli in the powder they add fresh  when they cook.They also use cinnamon ,nutmeg, & all spice & mustard seed which aren't always  in other powders particularly allspice.

    I used the measurement system I use when I  make paste.It goes like this,some dry whole spice goes in in heaped tablespoons. Fennel,cumin,coriander,fenugreek,mustard seed,peppercorns Others go in teaspoons,cloves, green cardoman . All in a pan on low DRY when you can smell them into a grinder with some rocksalt to help it grind. Cinnamon,nutmeg are best as powder but teaspoons. Ginger,garlic,sweet paprika,turmeric also best as powder but heaped tablespoons.All spice I  used powder this time went with a tablespoon.. So I  went 1 unit of each off that list mixed the powders with the ground whole got the mix you see here. [​IMG]
     
  9. moikel

    moikel Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    If there are people out there who have eaten the real deal in the Caribbean,like bigtwig let me know what you think. I have been making curry for years & once upon a time distributed my own paste that I  built up from recipe in a habanero cookbook,I changed it up to a Thai style from an East Indian via Jamaica one.

    I will set it out as logically as I  can given I am in new territory , again. For starters the meat I  have is all bone in & its going to be cooking for a while to get to tender. Going way ahead I figure you serve it with rice & peas,& roti.

    I will be winging from the point the trail went cold ( ie where the TV show cut to finished product),so if anybody thinks they have a memory left after all that rum punch,reggae music & happy cabbage,wacky tobaccy or whatever they call it let me know.
     
  10. moikel

    moikel Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    OK back patio flooded just got MES to on top of table in time.Roads out,airport shut the works. Anyway 1 bunch green onions/shallots/scallions call them what you will,chopped  3 all spice berries crushed,fresh thyme,[​IMG]3 fat tabs curry powder,piece fresh ginger chopped,2 fat cloves of garlic, 1/2 scotch bonnet,finely chopped,2 tomatoes chopped healthy slurp of oil not olive.I used rice bran  helps powder stick will also help meat not to burn when I  kick off tomorrow.Mixed it all up .Photo before I  put tomatoes in. The allspice ,thyme has the jerk feel but different again.I threw in some chopped cilantro,decided against lime at this stage,not in recipe but Im suspicious about what the secret part is.
     
  11. moikel

    moikel Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    OK  we are out of the chute.Following the guide from the old Jamaican guy(Bing Deane) I  fried some curry powder in oil till it coloured then added everything else.Turned it over till meat was browned.Bing didnt add water supposedly it will produce enough liquid.Cant see that & this was where he stopped showing his secrets.So I  added some Alpaca stock I had in freezer,about a wine glass full.Turned it down low ,just going  to leave it until I  can taste it & adjust things.I think some lime at some point maybe another scotch bonnet put in whole ,Barbados style Im told. But they could tell me anything.Our cricket team landed in Caribbean today. I can smell it from 2 rooms away now I reckon I got the curry powder spot on. Its going to cook for at least 2 hours.[​IMG]
     
  12. moikel

    moikel Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    OK  done. Pretty tasty[​IMG],I could have gone a bit hotter with the scotch bonnets but  everybody knows  there is not a lot of margin for error. I added juice of 1 lime another glass of stock a whole scotch bonnet simmered  it for another 30 minutes. Rice & peas roti,I even found plantains but they were to green to use this time. The goat was tender,tasty on the bone,curry sauce was great & different to the curry I  usually make. We dont import red stripe into this country do made do with a local beer. 

    Did I  make an authentic curry goat ? I got pretty close.[​IMG]  I will bump the chilli & reheat it tomorrow. I will make this again with shoulder.Maybe Fiji style,just to contrast the 2 Indian styles from 2 different tropical Islands .Thanks for watching[​IMG]
     
  13. moikel

    moikel Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Another shot.Thanks for watching. Goat as a meat  vastly under rated & misunderstood.Its ideal for this style of cooking. Got to work out a rub & do it in MES   there maybe a way to do a combination of jerk & curry as a rub on say a whole leg or shoulder & low & slow it over some sort of fruit wood.[​IMG]
     
  14. big twig

    big twig Smoking Fanatic

    Wow! That looks mighty authentic to me. I don't make my own curry powder (because I can buy it here) PM me your address and I'll send you some. I do not use lime in mine but I love the flavor so I will have to try that.

    Many [​IMG]  to you for making your own Caribbean curry powder. I know there is allspice in the powder (because everything in Jamaica has allspice and thyme) but to figure out the rest truly shows your talent. The color is pretty spot on and serving it with rice and peas is a must! I use 2 scotch bonnets in my preparation (was taught that much) and add a 3rd in my own bowl (I like it hot) and I use water (don't know why the guy said not to use liquid) but good call on the stock. Over all I think that could stand up to any West Indies Curry Goat. Just wish I could taste it.

    [​IMG][​IMG]

    I have a guy hunting down some goat for me in the random markets we have all over the DC area so I will attempt to make it soon.
     
  15. moikel

    moikel Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Thanks for the kind words bigtwig. It did turn out well. Its raining goats here at the moment.All of a sudden they are at all the butchers but a 30% price differential between the 12-15kg  size to the 8-9 kg size. As the Italian butcher said to me this morning " these nonna's bust my balls for not having any & now bust my my balls about the price"[​IMG].He has the 8kg size.

    I like the cultural aspects of cooking a lot.You mention curry goat to an Aussie some of them look at you funny. I mentioned it to some of my English friends last night & straight away its "like they do in Brixton(London suburb).I love that, used to eat all the time cant get here(Aust).When are you making it again?" To them its completely normal because of the big West Indian population in England,they grew up eating jerk chicken etc but have never been to the Caribbean.

    I over bought as usual so I will do the Fijian Indian version sometime in the future, Ive got to work my way through the freezers soon. Stay tuned I will be doing  Southern Italian goat dish in the MES & a traditional Peruvian Alpaca recipe adapted for the MES.
     
  16. venture

    venture Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    How did I miss this one?

    That looks excellent!

    Good luck and good smoking.
     
  17. moikel

    moikel Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    I didnt start a new thread,just rejigged the original seeing as they were both Jamaican goat dishes. I may have made it harder to see,sorry. Lamb & goat seem way back in the field after ,beef,pork,poultry. But the guys who like lamb /goat really passionate about it. I am going to do a few more but I  will give them each their own thread. I will only put the Fijian Indian goat curry here.Will that work for everybody? 
     
     
  18. moikel

    moikel Master of the Pit OTBS Member

     Attention BigTwig!OK  nobody got back to me to tell me NOT  to put this here so I am going to wrap this thread up with a Fijian Indian goat curry. East Indians went to Fiji on the same deal they went to the Caribbean ,cheap labour.

    They took their food with them but it grew into a style of its own away from the mother country. This is the most authentic recipe  could find.Looks hot.[​IMG]

    Heres ingredient list; 8 x garlic cloves 1 x teaspoon each,fenugreek ,coriander,black mustard .2 x teaspoon cumin ,turmeric powder.5 chilli 1x teas cayenne 2x tabs Indian curry powder 1 onion 3 potatoes 2 carrots ,water. 1 kg goat pieces.1 bunch cilantro. I will post as I cook it
     
  19. moikel

    moikel Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Sorry forgot 1/3 cup of yoghurt.
     
  20. moikel

    moikel Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Pound garlic with some sea salt to get a paste,grind whole spices,add to pastes add powdered cumin & turmeric,5 x dried chilli,curry powder,cayenne ,add a splash of water to assist it to become paste .Put in pot  with 1/2 cilantro chopped I am using a dutch oven so I can put it in oven on low while I go to gym. Mix it around in pot add 2 cups water,I added 1 cup 1 cup lamb stock because I  had it & thats the way I cook.Let it thicken on stove top.Dont let it burn.

    The recipe says add goat now I personally would brown it first normally but I am going to follow recipe..Cook it for 30 -45 minutes.Thats frozen lamb stock in pot.[​IMG]
     

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