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Master of the Pit
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Just a little something to make your mouth water.
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Yep. I'm sold! Gonna try it with milk next.
Absolutely. I was kinda shocked my wife didn't make her cinnamon rolls for Christmas, but everyone said "too busy" after they made me commit to baking 500 of my Chrismas tradition cookies (shortbread -200, black pepper spiced - 300). The kids promised "the bakery rolls are as good as Mom's." Nope. We will NEVER have storebought cinnamon rolls on Christmas morning again, even if I have to bake them.
David, people have been asking me that my whole life. The recipe will be coming soon.
Ray
Day Two was such a significant improvement over the base recipe we've eaten for decades that I'm posting it early.
Brioche-like and Tangzhong-Process Cinnamon Rolls in KitchenAid Mixer
Makes one 9" springform pan if cut into 8 rolls; a 9x13" pan if cut into 12.
Use Instant or Quick-rise yeast because it can be added directly to dry ingredients. Active Dry yeast must be dissolved in a liquid.
Notes on 1st attempt: relatively easy. Once butter added at the 4-5 min kneading point, the dough took another 12 minutes to reach a smooth ball phase. Dough is VERY soft.
Baked 8 rolls in a 9" springform pan.
Day 1: soft, light, moist, and delicious. Very slight chew.
Day 2: still moist, but a tad dryer than day 1. Still soft and easy to eat. If nuked for 12 seconds, it was just like day 1. This is a major improvement over my wife's core recipe.
Day 3: pending
Tangzhong method for long-term moistness:
5-10% flour weight
5 times that weight in milk or water
Cook on stove (2‐4 mins) or in microwave (1-2 mins) to form a flour paste.
Tangzhong
20g flour (5%)
100g milk or water (5x flour)
Dry Dough Ingredients
380g King Arthur AP flour
10g (2 ¼ tsp) Instant/Quick Rise yeast
50g (¼ cup) granulated white sugar
6g (1 tsp) salt
Wet Dough Ingredients
175g whole milk, warm
1 large egg, room temp, beatened
¼ cup softened butter, cut into ½" chunks
Rise Ingredients
Spray oil for bowl.
Filling Ingredients (apply separately in order shown)
4 Tbs butter, salted, melted
⅜ to ½ cup granulated white sugar
1 Tbs cinnamon
½ cup raisins (optional)
Icing Ingredients
2 Tbs butter, salted, melted
1 ¾ cups powdered sugar, sifted
2-3 Tbs milk or light coconut cream
1 tsp vanilla extract
Directions
Make tangzhong several hours to a day before. Cover and refrigerate.
Mix dry dough ingredients in KitchenAid bowl using the scraper attachment. Then change to the dough hook.
Turn mixer to first setting. Add warm milk. Add egg. Add tangzhong and let a ragged dough form.
Knead on level 4 KitchenAid for 4 minutes to let some gluten develop, then slow to low and add softened butter one chunk at a time.
Turn the mixer to level 4 to incorporate completely. Mix for 8-12 minutes until the dough cleans the sides and bottom of the bowl. It will look gluey and loose but will come together. The final dough will be slightly sticky to the touch.
Wet a hand and use that hand to scrape the dough from the dough hook. Spray the sides of the bowl and the top of the dough with oil. Pick up the dough, flip it over, and spray the top again.
Cover with cling wrap and stick in a draft-free warm place until it doubles in bulk, about an hour to two hours depending on room temp. Once doubled, poke with two fingers. If dimples remain, it is ready. If it springs back completely, it needs more rise time
Once ready, wet hands and punch down the dough. Turn the dough out onto a lightly floured work surface. Press and spread into a rectangle, deflating the dough.
Lightly flour the dough and rolling pin. Roll until the dough is ¼ to ⅓ inch thick in a
12"x18" rectangle.
Spread the melted butter over the dough with a pastey brush. Sprinkle the sugar then the cinnamon over the butter. Drop the raisins evenly over the prepared dough if using raisins.
Roll the dough into a log from the wide end. Use a dough scraper to assist in the rollup if the dough is sticky.
Use either a sharp knife to slice the log into 1 ¼" sections and place in a greased springform or cake pan. Lightly brush the tops and sides with melted butter.
Preheat oven to 350°F.
Cover rolls with a towel or cling wrap and allow to rise again for 30-60 minutes, or until doubled.
Bake uncovered at 350°F intil lightly browned and internal temp is 195°F: 20-25 minutes if using the larger cake pan (smaller rolls), 25-30 minutes for the springform pan (larger rolls).
Set aside and allow to completely cool, uncovered, in the pan.
Icing Directions
Melt the butter in a small mixing bowl. Sift a small amount of powdered sugar into the butter and stir to dissolve. Alternate adding powdered sugar and evaporated milk, stirring after each addition, until desired consistency reached
Add vanilla and stir to incorporate.
Drizzle liberally over the cool rolls.
Roll on!
Ray
Brioche-like and Tangzhong-Process Cinnamon Rolls in KitchenAid Mixer
Makes one 9" springform pan if cut into 8 rolls; a 9x13" pan if cut into 12.
Use Instant or Quick-rise yeast because it can be added directly to dry ingredients. Active Dry yeast must be dissolved in a liquid.
Notes on 1st attempt: relatively easy. Once butter added at the 4-5 min kneading point, the dough took another 12 minutes to reach a smooth ball phase. Dough is VERY soft.
Baked 8 rolls in a 9" springform pan.
Day 1: soft, light, moist, and delicious. Very slight chew.
Day 2: still moist, but a tad dryer than day 1. Still soft and easy to eat. If nuked for 12 seconds, it was just like day 1. This is a major improvement over my wife's core recipe.
Day 3: pending
Tangzhong method for long-term moistness:
5-10% flour weight
5 times that weight in milk or water
Cook on stove (2‐4 mins) or in microwave (1-2 mins) to form a flour paste.
Tangzhong
20g flour (5%)
100g milk or water (5x flour)
Dry Dough Ingredients
380g King Arthur AP flour
10g (2 ¼ tsp) Instant/Quick Rise yeast
50g (¼ cup) granulated white sugar
6g (1 tsp) salt
Wet Dough Ingredients
175g whole milk, warm
1 large egg, room temp, beatened
¼ cup softened butter, cut into ½" chunks
Rise Ingredients
Spray oil for bowl.
Filling Ingredients (apply separately in order shown)
4 Tbs butter, salted, melted
⅜ to ½ cup granulated white sugar
1 Tbs cinnamon
½ cup raisins (optional)
Icing Ingredients
2 Tbs butter, salted, melted
1 ¾ cups powdered sugar, sifted
2-3 Tbs milk or light coconut cream
1 tsp vanilla extract
Directions
Make tangzhong several hours to a day before. Cover and refrigerate.
Mix dry dough ingredients in KitchenAid bowl using the scraper attachment. Then change to the dough hook.
Turn mixer to first setting. Add warm milk. Add egg. Add tangzhong and let a ragged dough form.
Knead on level 4 KitchenAid for 4 minutes to let some gluten develop, then slow to low and add softened butter one chunk at a time.
Turn the mixer to level 4 to incorporate completely. Mix for 8-12 minutes until the dough cleans the sides and bottom of the bowl. It will look gluey and loose but will come together. The final dough will be slightly sticky to the touch.
Wet a hand and use that hand to scrape the dough from the dough hook. Spray the sides of the bowl and the top of the dough with oil. Pick up the dough, flip it over, and spray the top again.
Cover with cling wrap and stick in a draft-free warm place until it doubles in bulk, about an hour to two hours depending on room temp. Once doubled, poke with two fingers. If dimples remain, it is ready. If it springs back completely, it needs more rise time
Once ready, wet hands and punch down the dough. Turn the dough out onto a lightly floured work surface. Press and spread into a rectangle, deflating the dough.
Lightly flour the dough and rolling pin. Roll until the dough is ¼ to ⅓ inch thick in a
12"x18" rectangle.
Spread the melted butter over the dough with a pastey brush. Sprinkle the sugar then the cinnamon over the butter. Drop the raisins evenly over the prepared dough if using raisins.
Roll the dough into a log from the wide end. Use a dough scraper to assist in the rollup if the dough is sticky.
Use either a sharp knife to slice the log into 1 ¼" sections and place in a greased springform or cake pan. Lightly brush the tops and sides with melted butter.
Preheat oven to 350°F.
Cover rolls with a towel or cling wrap and allow to rise again for 30-60 minutes, or until doubled.
Bake uncovered at 350°F intil lightly browned and internal temp is 195°F: 20-25 minutes if using the larger cake pan (smaller rolls), 25-30 minutes for the springform pan (larger rolls).
Set aside and allow to completely cool, uncovered, in the pan.
Icing Directions
Melt the butter in a small mixing bowl. Sift a small amount of powdered sugar into the butter and stir to dissolve. Alternate adding powdered sugar and evaporated milk, stirring after each addition, until desired consistency reached
Add vanilla and stir to incorporate.
Drizzle liberally over the cool rolls.
Roll on!
Ray
Thnks for the recipe! But I wouldnt need to worry day 2 or 3 moistness! The boy who is a bottomless pit would not let them last that long.
Jim
Jim
Jim, trust me, I understand. Our twins were year-round competitive swimmers from the 6th grade thru uni. They each ate like 5000-7000 calories a day. My wife would make a double recipe and it was gone in two days. Dry rolls were never an issue until they grew up, moved away to school, got married, and we visited. With travel and timing, the rolls were often 2-3 days old before first served. That's why dryness became a problem.
The fact that these rolls are still soft and delicious after 3 days eliminates that issue. And for the record, remember I said the bake was an exercise in adaptation. I thought wrong about a springform pan leaking butter and placed it in another pan, screwing up the bake. They were overbaked to an internal temp of 203°F, not 195°F, and they were still moist, even today, day 3. (I put the correct bake timings without a second pan in the recipe above).
The center roll only baked to 198°F. It will be eaten tomorrow, day 4, and will be an even better example of this recipe's ability to keep staleness at bay.
Day 4: Rolls all gone. The center roll, baked to 198°F, was still moist and soft. The last outer roll, over-baked to 203°F, had a dryer outer layer but a moist soft inside.
These rolls were a joy to eat by adding the tangzhong and softened butter to my wife's family recipe. That's all I did, really. If you have a recipe you use that gets dry too quickly, try the additions mentioned.
Thanks for looking.
Ray
These rolls were a joy to eat by adding the tangzhong and softened butter to my wife's family recipe. That's all I did, really. If you have a recipe you use that gets dry too quickly, try the additions mentioned.
Thanks for looking.
Ray
Thank you for sharing this. I’m trying to find a moment in my life for baking and it’s proving difficult. I book marked these because these are a family tradition for certain holidays, but unless my aunt is dropping them off it’s usually from a can
I’d love to be able to do this for real. I appreciate your meticulous insight!
I’d love to be able to do this for real. I appreciate your meticulous insight!
Hey Jed. I understand. My wife does everything start to finish. Ugh. I break up recipes into little segments, often over several days. It makes it much easier and less time consuming.
I often mix the dry ingredients in a Ziplock and set aside until ready to use. If I'm pressed for time before a rise, I'll use cold wet ingredients to slow it down as I knead everything in the mixer, then put it in the fridge to cold ferment. The chilly little yeast buggers eat more slowly when they're shivering. Heck, you can literally turn a 75 minute rise into 8 hours until you can get to it.
Tricks like that both buy and save time.
negolien
Master of the Pit
noboundaries
, do you see any reason I could make these to the point of the last rise in the pan I am gonna bake them in, stick in the fridge covered over night and bake in the morning. I would prefer a fresh roll out the oven for breakfast, just don't want to get up at 2am to start the process.Thanks for the recipe will be trying either way.
Boy, that question has got me thinking. Let me noodle this thru.
I have "cold fermented" pizza dough and bread doughs many times. The cold significantly slows down the yeast action, especially when you use cold ingredients to start like milk and eggs. The butter in the dough, though, would harden again in the fridge. That's what concerns me.
Let me so a little research to find an answer.
Ray
I have "cold fermented" pizza dough and bread doughs many times. The cold significantly slows down the yeast action, especially when you use cold ingredients to start like milk and eggs. The butter in the dough, though, would harden again in the fridge. That's what concerns me.
Let me so a little research to find an answer.
Ray
Evidently, yes, you can make it the day before and put it covered in the fridge overnight. My experience with bread and pizza doughs is they need about 3-4 hours on the counter for the final rise before baking. The dough has to warm enough for the yeast to wake up and get hungry.
Now I'm interested in trying this. Thanks for the push!
Ray
Now I'm interested in trying this. Thanks for the push!
Ray
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If there were any left in the fridge. I'd be sneaking out in the middle of the night after I went to the bathroom and finish them off.
Chris
Chris
I am starting mine now, will post sometime tomorrow as the plan is to rest over night in fridge and bake in am. Again thanks for the recipe and info.
For the icing, in the ingredient list it shows Milk, in the cooking instructions it is saying evaporated milk. Can you clarify which is to be used or does it matter?
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