DIY Proscuitto Help

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camaech

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Last fall I butchered some home raised hogs and I wanted to take a stab at proscuitto.

I took the advice/tips from this video


Fast forward to today and this is how my aging is going:
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I'm wondering if the mold on there is normal or if it's something I should worry about and/or possibly throw out.

I'd like to note that in the butchering, I opted to skin and not scald the hog. Also, the breed is American Guinea Hog (smaller breed with lots of black hair).

I'm new to the meat aging game and any tips/thoughts would be appreciated!
 
Welcome to the forum.
First, dry aging meat without a skin, or casing is a bad idea.
Second, the spotty mold is likely from the pepper in the lard.
Also, is it slimy? What does it smell like?
How far along are you in the process?
What temperature, humidity are you hanging it in?
How much air flow is there?
Are there other meats hanging close by? What else is in this space where the ham is?
 
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Also, it is a good idea to add 3% salt to the sugna when you make it. If you don't, then the sugna will draw salt from the meat and lower the salt concentration of the meat near the surface. This will slow the diffusion of water from the center as it is the higher salt concentration (from a lower Aw near the surface) that pulls moisture from the center.
 
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It's not just pepper and lard.
Sugna is a 50/50 blend of rice flour and lard; plus 3% salt and about 1-2% black pepper.

And the sugna is not applied in Italy on proscuttio hams until at least 20% minimum weight loss had occurred. Many times it is not applied until 25% weight loss has occurred. If you apply it too soon, you slow the weight loss down too much which can lead to spoilage. I don't know where Glenn got his information from.
 
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I have not seen one that had the skin removed. I had a few mold spots develop on one I did a couple years ago, but I was checking it at least weekly, and cleaning with vinegar when any mold developed. Also curious about hanging conditions.
https://www.smokingmeatforums.com/threads/u-s-s-prosciutto-maiden-voyage.259839/

I made a meat aging fridge with both a humidifier and dehumidifier in it. I keep the temp at 53 and the humidity at 66%. The pork is hanging with a venison leg now, but the pork was already starting to get that color prior to the venison being in there.

Here's a picture of the initial setup (please be gentle):

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Welcome to the forum.
First, dry aging meat without a skin, or casing is a bad idea.
Second, the spotty mold is likely from the pepper in the lard.
Also, is it slimy? What does it smell like?
How far along are you in the process?
What temperature, humidity are you hanging it in?
How much air flow is there?
Are there other meats hanging close by? What else is in this space where the ham is?

I didn't know that without a skin isn't a good idea. There is a good amount of peppered lard on it though. It isn't slimy and doesn't smell bad or off. I started hanging on 11/13/2021 (so going on 3 months). Hanging at 53 degrees and 66% humidity. There should be plenty of airflow in there. I have a small fan running all the time. See above picture for initial setup.
 
I stand corrected.. and I learned something new. Seems both lard and sugna are used. Here is the definition translated into English:

sugnature

sugnatura is a phase of the processing of raw ham, present for example in both the production of Parma ham and San Daniele. After the thighs have been salted and after being left to rest for a few months, a thin layer of suet is strictly applied by hand on the part not covered by rind or a dough composed of pork fat, salt, pepper and any rice flour (wheat flour is not used so that the final product is gluten-free). This procedure, which is carried out for the first time between the 4th / 7th month and which can be repeated several times in the following months, serves to protect the meat and prevent the outer part from drying too much, thus ruining the seasoning of the inner part. It also acts as a barrier against external agents – such as insects -. Following the sugnatura the hams are again left to mature.
https://magazine.artigianoinfiera.it/sugnatura-glossario-artigianato/

I did not know Lard only was also used. I do know lard will slow down drying more than sugna if both are applied at the same rate.
 
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I didn't know that without a skin isn't a good idea. There is a good amount of peppered lard on it though. It isn't slimy and doesn't smell bad or off. I started hanging on 11/13/2021 (so going on 3 months). Hanging at 53 degrees and 66% humidity. There should be plenty of airflow in there. I have a small fan running all the time. See above picture for initial setup.
Whats the weight loss of the ham at this point?
Pictures are often difficult to see good detail. Can you confirm what colors the molds are? Inda mentioned red mold, can you confirm?
 
Whats the weight loss of the ham at this point?
Pictures are often difficult to see good detail. Can you confirm what colors the molds are? Inda mentioned red mold, can you confirm?

11/1/2021 - Start weight: 120oz.
Put in salt vat for ~2 weeks. Proceeded to hang.
11/13/2021 - Hang weight: 106oz.
02/05/2022 - Weight current: 94 oz.

Some of it looks "pink", but I can't really tell if it's mold or not. Some of the peppercorns in my grinder could've been pink peppercorns, as I've used a Rainbow peppercorn blend in the past.
 
I would scrape all of the lard off and clean it up. So you can see what if anything the mold has done to the surface of the meat. This is the problem with not having a skin or casing, the mold can grow down through the surface of the meat and introduce rhizomes into the meat. Once cleaned up I would clean (sanitize) a skewer and insert it into the center of the ham, remove and smell the skewer for any sour or off smell. If we pass all this, I would most likely mix up some fresh lard with 3% to weight salt, nothing else. Cover the ham and let it go to the end. You are about 20% weight loss now in 2 months. It will slow down from here.

You can also use collagen sheets to wrap the meat and provide a skin protection, either or but not both (lard). The benefits of salted lard is that salt concentration on the surface of the meat will help draw the moisture from the center of the ham out. This is what we need.

In my opinion, you are running a bit of a crap shoot to get this done, but it is still potentially possible.
 
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Both are bad, but pictures are difficult to see like eyes on it. Question is, to me, did the mold grow down into the meat, because even green mold on bare meat is bad, black or red is really bad. I’m hoping the lard saved him, but it’s doubtful.
 
I would scrape all of the lard off and clean it up. So you can see what if anything the mold has done to the surface of the meat. This is the problem with not having a skin or casing, the mold can grow down through the surface of the meat and introduce rhizomes into the meat. Once cleaned up I would clean (sanitize) a skewer and insert it into the center of the ham, remove and smell the skewer for any sour or off smell. If we pass all this, I would most likely mix up some fresh lard with 3% to weight salt, nothing else. Cover the ham and let it go to the end. You are about 20% weight loss now in 2 months. It will slow down from here.

You can also use collagen sheets to wrap the meat and provide a skin protection, either or but not both (lard). The benefits of salted lard is that salt concentration on the surface of the meat will help draw the moisture from the center of the ham out. This is what we need.

In my opinion, you are running a bit of a crap shoot to get this done, but it is still potentially possible.

I'm going to try and clean it up later today and take some pictures. I'll report back with my findings. Thanks for the help.
 
DON'T EAT THAT

In many European countries (France, Italy and others) it is a normal occurence to see a salami/charcuterie with a white surface mold. This is how it has been made for hundreds of years, the mold is intentional and it contributes to the wonderful flavor of the sausage. It also protects the sausage from the effects of light and oxygen which helps to preserve color and slows down rancidity of fat.

Mold covered salamis are not smoked as the smoke application will prevent molds from growing on the surface. Cold smoking sausages (below 25º C, 78º F after fermentation (after around 48 hours) will prevent mold from growing on its surface.

Mold can be removed by wiping it off with a rag soaked in vinegar solution. The color of the mold should be white or off-white and not red, yellow, green, or black. As mold in time can grow to a considerable length it is brushed off before consumption.

Yeast and molds grow much slower than bacteria in fermented meats and sausages and they develop later in a ripening process. They utilize some of the lactic acid that was created during the fermentation stage thus increasing pH (lowering acidity) what as a result improves flavor in a slower fermented product. They don't seem to be affected by a pH drop in the fermentation stage and will grow in a vast range of temperatures (8º -25º C, 46º -78º F) as long as there is high humidity in a chamber. To ensure fast growth at the begining temperatures higher than 20º C (68º F) and humidity over 90% is required.
  • Yeast - Debaromyces
  • Mold - Penicillium
Nobel mold is fine white powdery (Penicillium) good mold.

Non desirable molds include black , green, brown, redish with fuzz. Green molds in the powdery state have been know to be safe.






Friendly Bacteria
Pediococcus cerevisiae – Responsible for the fermentation that turns sugar into lactic acid. This bacteria is often used in sausage fermentation cultures, but it is also one of the bacteria that ferments vegetables.

Micrococcus – A genus of bacteria that breaks sodium nitrate down to sodium nitrite in long cures.

Leuconostoc – A lactic bacteria responsible for fermentation of sugar into lactic acid.

Staphylococcus – During the fermentation process, this bacteria grows if the curing sausage is above 60F before reaching a pH of 5.3. This is also used to reduce nitrate levels.

Lactobacillus – This genus of bacteria are responsible for fermentation in yogurt, cheese, wine, beer, cider, kimchi, and pickles.

Penicillium nalgiovense – Highly desired in some Italian salamis.


Dangerous Bacteria
There are numerous species of bacteria that threaten to ruin a good cured meat. Here are some of the more common threats:

Clostridium botulinum – C. botulinum produces a neurotoxin that can cause paralysis and death. The bacteria dies when exposed to atmospheric oxygen, so it needs to grow in an anerobic environment, like the inside of a curing ham. A combination of acid produced by lactic bacteria and dryness will prevent it from growing in a curing food. The toxin can also be denatured at temperatures above 176F. The botulin toxin is extremely poisonous – 1kg would be enough to kill every human on earth. The botulinum toxin is also the active ingredient in Botox.

Clostridium perfringens – Related to C. botulinum, this bacteria is extremely heat resistant. It can survive boiling for more than four hours. It tends to grow in an anaerobic, warm, moist, and protein rich environment. It tends to grow in meat that is heated or prepared and left out for too long before eating. It is one of the leading causes of food poisoning in the United States.

Escherichia coli – Although most strains of E. coli are harmless, there are some virulent strains that can infect food if it is improperly handled. Most common when animals are raised in a dirty environment. Has been found in dry-cured salami and cured game meats.

Listeria monocytogenes – Found in fermented sausages. It is tolerant of low temperatures, acidic environments (as low as 5.0 pH), salt, and dryness. It is, however, easily destroyed by heat. It causes Listeriosis, which is rare in humans. If contracted, it can cause meningitis and death. In pregnant women, who account for approximately 30% of cases in the United States, the disease gives the mother mild flu-like symptoms, but can lead to a miscarriage or life-threatening infection for the fetus.

Lactobacillus viridescens – Commonly associated with greening of meat from hydrogen peroxide.

Salmonella – Occurs in raw or undercooked food. Infection causes food poisoning, and can be prevented by proper handling and heating the food above 167F.

Trichinella spiralis (trichinae) – A parasite found in pork that invades muscles to cause severe pain and edema. In the United States, cases averaged over 400 a year in the late 1940’s, and have dropped to around 9 a year for the period of 2002-2016.

Staphylococcus aureus (staph) – High salt levels inhibit its growth on the outside of dry-cured meats, but it can grow once the meat is sliced.

Mold – Not a bacterium, but worth mentioning, mold doesn’t typically grow inside a piece of meat, but can grow on the surface if drying is too slow and/or humidity in the drying environment is too high. Often harmless, but can sometimes produce mycotoxins. Will typically grow in areas exposed to oxygen, which is why foods pickling are cut off from the atmosphere. Most mold can be washed off with hot water and a stiff scrub brush.
 
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