The BBQ Gun Thread

[chilerelleno]

Foxtrot Mike, Mike-9, AR9
9mm PCC, 10" barrel, front charger, Glock mags.
SBR with Super Safety and a Blowback9 A5 gentle recoil buffer system.

 

[Colin1230]

I've had a couple of brand new Uberti 1860 Army cap and ball revolvers in safe for a few years and finally decided to do something with them. I have been wanting a pair of conversion revolvers but have not been impressed with the factory offerings. They require a bit of smithing to get them ready and still have problems locking up at the worst times.
Enter Kirst Konverters. These conversion kits convert C and B revolvers to metallic cartridge firing handguns.
The gun on the right is a 44 caliber cap and ball revolver and the one on the left now shoots 45 Schofield cartridges.

These conversion kits are not a simple cylinder swap as the loading gate ring has to be fitted and a trough cut into the recoil shield.

The ejector rod installed.

What a fun project this was. It turned out so good that I had to fit a nice set of Magna-Tusk grips from Arizona Custom Grips.

Now that one revolver is finished, I'll be starting on the other so I have a matching pair. Thanks for looking guys.

P. S. No screws were buggered up in the process.

 

[Gonna Smoke]

I've had a couple of brand new Uberti 1860 Army cap and ball revolvers in safe for a few years and finally decided to do something with them. I have been wanting a pair of conversion revolvers but have not been impressed with the factory offerings. They require a bit of smithing to get them ready and still have problems locking up at the worst times.
Enter Kirst Konverters. These conversion kits convert C and B revolvers to metallic cartridge firing handguns.
The gun on the right is a 44 caliber cap and ball revolver and the one on the left now shoots 45 Schofield cartridges.
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These conversion kits are not a simple cylinder swap as the loading gate ring has to be fitted and a trough cut into the recoil shield.

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The ejector rod installed.
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What a fun project this was. It turned out so good that I had to fit a nice set of Magna-Tusk grips from Arizona Custom Grips.
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Now that one revolver is finished, I'll be starting on the other so I have a matching pair. Thanks for looking guys.

P. S. No screws were buggered up in the process.

Cool project!!

 

[KonaRich]

Cool project!!

I have a phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range.

I also have a Hatsan Jet 2 PCP pellet gun. With the removable stock, it switches from pistol to carbine. I only bought it to frighten off sodding big black hairy goats that decimate my plantings.

It's a 25 caliber and shoots 24.7 gr pellets. Plenty powerful for "pain deterrence", but not powerful enough to cause actual injury. Last thing I want is big, dead goats on my property. They do react to massive pain when hit.

I've never owned an actual firearm in my life. Other than a few BB guns, this is the most powerful gun I've ever owned, or will own.

 

[Gonna Smoke]

Yesterday a judge struck down the 90+ year old law requiring people to fill out paperwork to obtain a silencer for their guns. In other words, gun owners can now buy a silencer without any paperwork...

 

[Colin1230]

Yeah, I heard that. But you do have to fill out a form 4473 and back ground check as if buying a firearm. I'm eager to hear more about this.

 

[Smoke-Chem BBQ]

It's complicated. A district court in Texas struck down the law saying registration and approval requirements for suppressors exceed Congress’s constitutional authority after Congress eliminated the NFA’s transfer taxes on suppressors, short barrel rifles and shotguns. So right now, the scope is fairly limited, possibly only to where that district court has jurisdiction. Will it spread to cover other jurisdictions? Or will the $200 tax stamp that used to be required to buy a suppressor be reinstated, rendering the court order moot? Gun owners are hoping for the former, but this needs a little time to play out before one can be sure the law is changed for good.

Just a couple of weeks ago, the 3rd circuit court of appeals struck down NJ's ban on magazines of over 10 rounds capacity. A few gun shops immediately started selling them. A couple of days later, NJ got a stay, and immediately promised to prosecute everyone who had bought a standard-capacity magazine during the few days when it was legal. So don't underestimate a state's ability make one's life miserable.

 

[normanaj]

So don't underestimate a state's ability make one's life miserable

That's a fact.

I live in RI. Half the gun owning population here were instantly turned into felons when the ban on magazines over 10 rounds went into affect.

 

[civilsmoker]

It's complicated. A district court in Texas struck down the law saying registration and approval requirements for suppressors exceed Congress’s constitutional authority after Congress eliminated the NFA’s transfer taxes on suppressors, short barrel rifles and shotguns. So right now, the scope is fairly limited, possibly only to where that district court has jurisdiction. Will it spread to cover other jurisdictions? Or will the $200 tax stamp that used to be required to buy a suppressor be reinstated, rendering the court order moot? Gun owners are hoping for the former, but this needs a little time to play out before one can be sure the law is changed for good.

Just a couple of weeks ago, the 3rd circuit court of appeals struck down NJ's ban on magazines of over 10 rounds capacity. A few gun shops immediately started selling them. A couple of days later, NJ got a stay, and immediately promised to prosecute everyone who had bought a standard-capacity magazine during the few days when it was legal. So don't underestimate a state's ability make one's life miserable.

Yes, it is complicated, the plaintiffs are spread across the country, and the court order allows them to purchase a suppressor with only the 4473. The Idaho AG was supportive of the lawsuit and FFLs in Idaho have started transferring suppressors with only a 4473 (to plaintiffs). The transfers in Twin Falls are of notice, especially with the civilian using a suppressed arm to help save lives at the recent In and Out shooting, I (with my family) was stopped at the light in front of In and Out where the shooter was shooting people in cars a few minutes after the suppressed civilian forced his retreat (very grateful to him!!!). The DOJ has indicated they do not plan on filing an appeal (via the Texas Congressional Rep). The DOJ has 60 days from the ruling. The DOJ allowed the initial stay to expire and did not file a request to extend the stay due a pending appeal. SBRs and other NFA items are still subject to another gun control act, so the normal NFA forms are still required, however, there are efforts in play to meet that acts requirements without the NFA forms as they have been ruled unconstitutional.

Edit, it should be noted that the ruling applies to plaintiffs and not everyone and the 4473 is the same as buying a firearm, there is a background check that goes with it.

 

[in. pred]

that conversion is awesome!!!!!!!!

 

[chilerelleno]

Yesterday a judge struck down the 90+ year old law requiring people to fill out paperwork to obtain a silencer for their guns. In other words, gun owners can now buy a silencer without any paperwork...

This is just blatantly false/wrong information.

 

[Gonna Smoke]

This is just blatantly false/wrong information.

Well apparently I lied about what I read and for that I sincerely apologize. I won't do that again...

 

[Brokenhandle]

This is just blatantly false/wrong information.

What is the correct information then? I don't know myself but I'm sure the rest of us want to know.

 

[civilsmoker]

What is the correct information then? I don't know myself but I'm sure the rest of us want to know.

Broken, my recommendation would be to contact your State AGs office and request a written opinion for your state (provided you are considered a plaintiff).

The plaintiffs in the case are current and future GOA members, Silencer Shop and official Silencer Shop dealers. Additionally, they have to be legal in the state that you reside. I will note that the ATF has not issued new rules yet but has indicated they will soon? The rules could cause another court case and further legal proceedings. FFLs have transferred them in states where they are legal to plaintiffs and some of those FFLs have reported passing their ATF inspections after they claim to have transferred them with only the 4473. Out of caution/wisdom, I am waiting for the ATF to issue the new rules as I don't want to risk a legal fight that could drag on for years. The current penalties are 250K fine and 10 years in prison for having an unregistered one.

 

[Brokenhandle]

Broken, my recommendation would be to contact your State AGs office and request a written opinion for your state (provided you are considered a plaintiff).

The plaintiffs in the case are current and future GOA members, Silencer Shop and official Silencer Shop dealers. Additionally, they have to be legal in the state that you reside. I will note that the ATF has not issued new rules yet but has indicated they will soon? The rules could cause another court case and further legal proceedings. FFLs have transferred them in states where they are legal to plaintiffs and some of those FFLs have reported passing their ATF inspections after they claim to have transferred them with only the 4473. Out of caution/wisdom, I am waiting for the ATF to issue the new rules as I don't want to risk a legal fight that could drag on for years. The current penalties are 250K fine and 10 years in prison for having an unregistered one.

Thanks! I assumed all states are different but wasn't for sure... that's why I asked.

 

[civilsmoker]

Thanks! I assumed all states are different but wasn't for sure... that's why I asked. Much more friendly response than the one I responded to. I won't say what I think of his comment ... to a fine member of this group.

Yes each state has their own laws and there is the federal. The judge ruled on the federal side, and not state. The issue is he is a district judge and the ruling was issued for Plaintiffs nation wide. As we know there is a whole bunch of legal battles regarding this including SCOTUS saying district judge rulings are for the district. So it’s very complicated. The president is working on a pardon for an individual that was convicted of having one in his home vs his business which were in the same building so hopes are that the ATF does NOT appeal, they had 60 days from the ruling, and they issue new rules that allow a 4473 transfer. The GOA is pushing for that. Many states defaulted to the form 4 so those states will need to change laws to allow the 4473 transfer.

Idaho has official Silencer shop dealers and it is legal to own one…..hence the 4473 transfers…..but Idaho is not in the judges district hence my caution/wisdom on waiting..……

The SBR side of the ruling is a whole other deal because the gun control act is still in full effect for those….suppressors were not part of that act……. But if one were wanting an SBR, a pistol with an arm brace is legal in many states….however is NOT legal to shoulder the brace or to put a stock on that lower….many dealers will only sell pistol lowers with legal braces attached to avoid confusion….

 

[mr_whipple]

The whole thing is a hot mess, but I think headed in the right direction. As of now, Virginia is allowing the transfer with only a 4473 and nics check. Not a lawyer so I'll keep my mouth shut and ears open.