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I've had a couple of brand new Uberti 1860 Army cap and ball revolvers in safe for a few years and finally decided to do something with them. I have been wanting a pair of conversion revolvers but have not been impressed with the factory offerings. They require a bit of smithing to get them ready and still have problems locking up at the worst times.
Enter Kirst Konverters. These conversion kits convert C and B revolvers to metallic cartridge firing handguns.
The gun on the right is a 44 caliber cap and ball revolver and the one on the left now shoots 45 Schofield cartridges.
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These conversion kits are not a simple cylinder swap as the loading gate ring has to be fitted and a trough cut into the recoil shield.

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The ejector rod installed.
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What a fun project this was. It turned out so good that I had to fit a nice set of Magna-Tusk grips from Arizona Custom Grips.
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Now that one revolver is finished, I'll be starting on the other so I have a matching pair. Thanks for looking guys.

P. S. No screws were buggered up in the process. 😂
 
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I've had a couple of brand new Uberti 1860 Army cap and ball revolvers in safe for a few years and finally decided to do something with them. I have been wanting a pair of conversion revolvers but have not been impressed with the factory offerings. They require a bit of smithing to get them ready and still have problems locking up at the worst times.
Enter Kirst Konverters. These conversion kits convert C and B revolvers to metallic cartridge firing handguns.
The gun on the right is a 44 caliber cap and ball revolver and the one on the left now shoots 45 Schofield cartridges.
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These conversion kits are not a simple cylinder swap as the loading gate ring has to be fitted and a trough cut into the recoil shield.

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The ejector rod installed.
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What a fun project this was. It turned out so good that I had to fit a nice set of Magna-Tusk grips from Arizona Custom Grips.
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Now that one revolver is finished, I'll be starting on the other so I have a matching pair. Thanks for looking guys.

P. S. No screws were buggered up in the process. 😂
Cool project!!
 
Cool project!!
I have a phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range.

I also have a Hatsan Jet 2 PCP pellet gun. With the removable stock, it switches from pistol to carbine. I only bought it to frighten off sodding big black hairy goats that decimate my plantings.

It's a 25 caliber and shoots 24.7 gr pellets. Plenty powerful for "pain deterrence", but not powerful enough to cause actual injury. Last thing I want is big, dead goats on my property. They do react to massive pain when hit.

I've never owned an actual firearm in my life. Other than a few BB guns, this is the most powerful gun I've ever owned, or will own.
 

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Yesterday a judge struck down the 90+ year old law requiring people to fill out paperwork to obtain a silencer for their guns. In other words, gun owners can now buy a silencer without any paperwork...
 
Yeah, I heard that. But you do have to fill out a form 4473 and back ground check as if buying a firearm. I'm eager to hear more about this.
 
It's complicated. A district court in Texas struck down the law saying registration and approval requirements for suppressors exceed Congress’s constitutional authority after Congress eliminated the NFA’s transfer taxes on suppressors, short barrel rifles and shotguns. So right now, the scope is fairly limited, possibly only to where that district court has jurisdiction. Will it spread to cover other jurisdictions? Or will the $200 tax stamp that used to be required to buy a suppressor be reinstated, rendering the court order moot? Gun owners are hoping for the former, but this needs a little time to play out before one can be sure the law is changed for good.

Just a couple of weeks ago, the 3rd circuit court of appeals struck down NJ's ban on magazines of over 10 rounds capacity. A few gun shops immediately started selling them. A couple of days later, NJ got a stay, and immediately promised to prosecute everyone who had bought a standard-capacity magazine during the few days when it was legal. So don't underestimate a state's ability make one's life miserable.
 
It's complicated. A district court in Texas struck down the law saying registration and approval requirements for suppressors exceed Congress’s constitutional authority after Congress eliminated the NFA’s transfer taxes on suppressors, short barrel rifles and shotguns. So right now, the scope is fairly limited, possibly only to where that district court has jurisdiction. Will it spread to cover other jurisdictions? Or will the $200 tax stamp that used to be required to buy a suppressor be reinstated, rendering the court order moot? Gun owners are hoping for the former, but this needs a little time to play out before one can be sure the law is changed for good.

Just a couple of weeks ago, the 3rd circuit court of appeals struck down NJ's ban on magazines of over 10 rounds capacity. A few gun shops immediately started selling them. A couple of days later, NJ got a stay, and immediately promised to prosecute everyone who had bought a standard-capacity magazine during the few days when it was legal. So don't underestimate a state's ability make one's life miserable.
Yes, it is complicated, the plaintiffs are spread across the country, and the court order allows them to purchase a suppressor with only the 4473. The Idaho AG was supportive of the lawsuit and FFLs in Idaho have started transferring suppressors with only a 4473 (to plaintiffs). The transfers in Twin Falls are of notice, especially with the civilian using a suppressed arm to help save lives at the recent In and Out shooting, I (with my family) was stopped at the light in front of In and Out where the shooter was shooting people in cars a few minutes after the suppressed civilian forced his retreat (very grateful to him!!!). The DOJ has indicated they do not plan on filing an appeal (via the Texas Congressional Rep). The DOJ has 60 days from the ruling. The DOJ allowed the initial stay to expire and did not file a request to extend the stay due a pending appeal. SBRs and other NFA items are still subject to another gun control act, so the normal NFA forms are still required, however, there are efforts in play to meet that acts requirements without the NFA forms as they have been ruled unconstitutional.

Edit, it should be noted that the ruling applies to plaintiffs and not everyone and the 4473 is the same as buying a firearm, there is a background check that goes with it.
 
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What is the correct information then? I don't know myself but I'm sure the rest of us want to know.
Broken, my recommendation would be to contact your State AGs office and request a written opinion for your state (provided you are considered a plaintiff).

The plaintiffs in the case are current and future GOA members, Silencer Shop and official Silencer Shop dealers. Additionally, they have to be legal in the state that you reside. I will note that the ATF has not issued new rules yet but has indicated they will soon? The rules could cause another court case and further legal proceedings. FFLs have transferred them in states where they are legal to plaintiffs and some of those FFLs have reported passing their ATF inspections after they claim to have transferred them with only the 4473. Out of caution/wisdom, I am waiting for the ATF to issue the new rules as I don't want to risk a legal fight that could drag on for years. The current penalties are 250K fine and 10 years in prison for having an unregistered one.
 
Broken, my recommendation would be to contact your State AGs office and request a written opinion for your state (provided you are considered a plaintiff).

The plaintiffs in the case are current and future GOA members, Silencer Shop and official Silencer Shop dealers. Additionally, they have to be legal in the state that you reside. I will note that the ATF has not issued new rules yet but has indicated they will soon? The rules could cause another court case and further legal proceedings. FFLs have transferred them in states where they are legal to plaintiffs and some of those FFLs have reported passing their ATF inspections after they claim to have transferred them with only the 4473. Out of caution/wisdom, I am waiting for the ATF to issue the new rules as I don't want to risk a legal fight that could drag on for years. The current penalties are 250K fine and 10 years in prison for having an unregistered one.
Thanks! I assumed all states are different but wasn't for sure... that's why I asked.
 
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Thanks! I assumed all states are different but wasn't for sure... that's why I asked. Much more friendly response than the one I responded to. I won't say what I think of his comment ... to a fine member of this group.
Yes each state has their own laws and there is the federal. The judge ruled on the federal side, and not state. The issue is he is a district judge and the ruling was issued for Plaintiffs nation wide. As we know there is a whole bunch of legal battles regarding this including SCOTUS saying district judge rulings are for the district. So it’s very complicated. The president is working on a pardon for an individual that was convicted of having one in his home vs his business which were in the same building so hopes are that the ATF does NOT appeal, they had 60 days from the ruling, and they issue new rules that allow a 4473 transfer. The GOA is pushing for that. Many states defaulted to the form 4 so those states will need to change laws to allow the 4473 transfer.

Idaho has official Silencer shop dealers and it is legal to own one…..hence the 4473 transfers…..but Idaho is not in the judges district hence my caution/wisdom on waiting..……

The SBR side of the ruling is a whole other deal because the gun control act is still in full effect for those….suppressors were not part of that act……. But if one were wanting an SBR, a pistol with an arm brace is legal in many states….however is NOT legal to shoulder the brace or to put a stock on that lower….many dealers will only sell pistol lowers with legal braces attached to avoid confusion….
 
The whole thing is a hot mess, but I think headed in the right direction. As of now, Virginia is allowing the transfer with only a 4473 and nics check. Not a lawyer so I'll keep my mouth shut and ears open.
 
Well apparently I lied about what I read and for that I sincerely apologize. I won't do that again...
What is the correct information then? I don't know myself but I'm sure the rest of us want to know.
Sorry for the delay, I've not been receiving any notifications as I had to reactivate and confirm my email.

@Gonna Smoke
You didn't lie, but whatever article you gleaned your info from was wrong.
Wrong either intentionally or unintentionally.

@Brokenhandle
It's been pretty much previously discussed by others.

The information below is specific to Palmetto State Armory, but other aggrieved parties who won the lawsuit are also operating pretty much the same, e.g. Silencerco.

NFA Challenge Lawsuit Ruling​

What the Court Order Currently Does — and Does Not — Change for Palmetto State Armory Customers

The Short Version​

  • Buying a suppressor: available online, either through the traditional Form 4 process or, in states that allow it, the new Form 4473 process now. Also available in person at our South Carolina stores for South Carolina residents.
  • Buying a short-barreled rifle or shotgun: no change — still requires the full Form 4 process, everywhere.
  • Converting your own gun into an SBR: available only if you're a current member of one of six named organizations, and only where your state allows it.
Details, limits, and open questions are below — please read the Important Limitations section before you buy or reconfigure anything.

On August 5, 2026, a federal court in the Northern District of Texas held that certain National Firearms Act (NFA) registration and transfer-approval requirements exceed Congress's constitutional authority now that Congress has set the transfer and making taxes at $0 for suppressors, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, and "any other weapons."

The Court entered an injunction barring ATF and the Department of Justice from enforcing the challenged provisions against the plaintiffs and, where applicable, their agencies, political subdivisions, members, and customers, both current and future.

Palmetto State Armory is a plaintiff in that case. The Court's injunction, which went into effect on August 13, 2026, protects PSA and PSA's customers.

This notice is general information, not legal advice. It also does not address all circumstances, applicable issues, or questions. Laws can change, individual circumstances can be different, and the application of this ruling may depend on the specific facts of a transaction.

If you have questions about whether this ruling applies to you, your firearm, or your state, consult with a qualified attorney who can advise you on your specific situation.

Can I Buy a Suppressor Online?​

A new Form 4473 process is now available online for covered orders.

Suppressors purchased online from Palmetto State Armory, with direct-to-home delivery, have been available through the traditional Form 4 process, and that process remains available and unchanged.

A new Form 4473 process is now also available for orders that are covered by the Court's injunction, in states whose laws allow this type of transfer. Under that new process, the purchase is completed with a Form 4473 and a NICS background check instead of a Form 4, fingerprints, a photograph, ATF approval, and entry in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record.

To learn how each process works, what each one requires of you, and which one applies to your order, visit How to Buy a Suppressor Online.

See Important Limitations below.

Can I Buy a Suppressor at a South Carolina Store?​

What this currently means at our South Carolina stores.

For a qualifying suppressor purchase from PSA at one of our South Carolina locations, you will not have to file a Form 4, submit fingerprints or a photograph, notify your chief local law enforcement officer, wait for ATF approval, or have the suppressor entered in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record. You will complete a Form 4473 and pass a NICS background check, exactly as you would for a rifle.

This in-store process is currently available at our South Carolina retail locations for South Carolina residents.

It is not available at our North Carolina or Georgia stores.
Suppressor purchases at those locations continue on the traditional path — Form 4, ATF approval, and entry in the federal registry — with no change.

This is not an oversight. North Carolina and Georgia law each treat suppressor possession differently than South Carolina law does and until we have further guidance, we are not making any changes in those states.

See Important Limitations below.

Can I Buy a Short-Barreled Rifle or Shotgun?​

This does not currently apply to purchases of short-barreled rifles or short-barreled shotguns. Although the Court's ruling reached SBRs and SBSs along with suppressors, PSA cannot sell you one without ATF authorization, and that has nothing to do with the NFA provisions the Court enjoined.

The barrier is in the Gun Control Act, not the National Firearms Act. Federal licensees like PSA still cannot sell or deliver a short-barreled rifle or shotgun (or a machine gun or destructive device) to a customer without specific authorization from the Attorney General (18 U.S.C. § 922(b)(4)). That requirement was not challenged in this case and was not enjoined. In practice, the only way to get that authorization is the approved NFA transfer — so an SBR or SBS purchase from us still requires the full Form 4 process.

So: SBR and SBS purchases at PSA are unchanged, at every location, online and in store.

Can I Convert My Own Firearm Into an SBR?​

Possibly, if you are a member of one of the plaintiff associations in the case and your state and local laws allow it.

This is not legal advice — it is general information based on our understanding at this time. We highly recommend that you speak with a qualified attorney in your state before you reconfigure your firearm.

Who is a covered individual for this purpose.


You are covered for purposes of this section if you are a current member of any of the plaintiff associations in the case:
  • Gun Owners of America, Inc.
  • Gun Owners Foundation
  • Firearms Regulatory Accountability Coalition, Inc.
  • Texas State Rifle Association
  • FPC Action Foundation
  • Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms
As we understand it, the keys to making and possessing an SBR are:
  • Membership in one of the plaintiff associations;
  • Compliance with all state and local laws; and
  • Compliance with all remaining federal laws, including the marking requirements that were not enjoined.
This information applies only if state and local law do not prohibit or restrict you from making, owning, or possessing an SBR. Please know that a majority of states prohibit the possession of SBRs unless they are registered or in compliance with the NFA.

What changed.
For years, if you owned an AR pistol with a barrel under 16 inches and wanted to put a stock on it, that configuration was treated as a short-barreled rifle under federal law. The same was true of configuring a complete rifle with a barrel under 16 inches. Either meant a Form 1, fingerprints, a photograph, registration with ATF, and waiting for approval before making the change.

The Court blocked enforcement of those making requirements as to the plaintiffs and their members (26 U.S.C. § 5822; 27 C.F.R. § 479.62(a)–(d)). So for a covered individual, the Form 1 process that used to apply before creating an SBR no longer applies:

  • No Form 1
  • No fingerprints submitted as part of that Form 1 process
  • No photograph
  • No waiting for separate ATF Form 1 approval before making the covered configuration change

A covered individual may configure an AR pistol with a stock. A covered individual may configure a complete rifle with a shorter-barreled upper.

See Important Limitations below.

There are also limits that apply specifically to SBRs. Please read all of the following.

Serial number and marking requirements were not enjoined — for anyone.
The rule requiring a maker to add their own markings to a firearm, even one that already has a manufacturer's serial number, still applies to everyone (26 U.S.C. § 5842(a); 27 C.F.R. § 479.102). Whether and how that rule applies when a covered individual reconfigures an already-serialized firearm hasn't been addressed by the Court or ATF. We cannot tell you the answer, and we are not going to guess. Ask an attorney about this specific point before you reconfigure.

State and local law still applies.
This ruling changes the federal landscape for covered transactions. It does not erase state registration requirements, permits, restrictions, or prohibitions. Some states outright ban SBRs. Other state laws tie legal ownership to registration under, authorization from, or compliance with the NFA — which, until those laws are changed, may prevent you from owning an unregistered SBR in that state. Those restrictions apply even if you are a covered individual. Know and understand your state and local laws BEFORE reconfiguring your firearm.

Again, we highly recommend that you consult with a qualified attorney before reconfiguring a firearm into an SBR.

Important Limitations​

The limits below apply to everything described on this page — a suppressor bought online, a suppressor bought in one of our stores, and a short-barreled rifle created by reconfiguring a firearm you already own. Please read all of them before you buy or reconfigure anything.

  1. This protection is not nationwide, and it may not be permanent. The Court declined to issue a universal injunction. Protection reaches PSA, PSA's customers, and the members of the plaintiff associations — not the general public, and not customers of all other retailers. The government also may still appeal. An appellate court could pause or reverse this ruling. What would happen to an unregistered suppressor or SBR that you already purchased or made if that occurs is an unresolved question that no court has answered. You should assume that risk before you buy or reconfigure.
  2. All other federal, state, and local restrictions are unchanged. The Gun Control Act applies in full. If you are prohibited from possessing a firearm under federal or state law, you may not possess a suppressor, an SBR, or any other covered firearm. Serial number and marking requirements still apply to you — do not remove, alter, or deface the serial number. It is your responsibility to confirm that your acquisition, making, and possession of a covered firearm comply with all federal, state, and local laws that apply to you now and in the future.
  3. Taking it across a state line is an open question. It's still against federal law to transport, deliver, or receive an unregistered NFA firearm in interstate commerce (26 U.S.C. § 5861(j)) — that provision was not enjoined and remains fully enforceable. Neither the Court nor ATF has said how it applies to a covered firearm you lawfully acquired or made under this injunction.
  4. Selling, giving, or leaving it to someone else is an open question. The injunction protects your covered purchase, or your own covered making and possession — it does not extend to a later transfer by you to anyone else, including a family member, a dealer, a trust, or an heir through your estate. There is currently no ATF process for transferring a covered firearm that isn't in the federal registry, and no guidance on whether or how such a transfer may lawfully occur. Anyone who receives the firearm from you is not protected by this order unless they are independently covered. Do not transfer a covered firearm to anyone without first consulting an attorney.
  5. Your household members are not covered. The Court declined to extend the injunction to resident family members of covered individuals. A spouse, roommate, or other household member who has access to the firearm is not protected by this order.
  6. All sales are final and are made without any warranty as to legal status. PSA cannot and does not give legal advice. This notice is general information, not legal advice about your circumstances. If you have questions, consult a licensed attorney before purchasing.
 
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