Thawed out a boston butt, have a question

Discussion in 'Pork' started by heyer5, Apr 14, 2012.

  1. heyer5

    heyer5 Meat Mopper

    I know everyone here pushes for 40-140 in 4 hours to kill bacteria.  My question is this, I sat out a pork butt last night on the counter, forgot about it, and realized it first thing this morning.
     

    I have since put it in the fridge, I'm curious whether or not it will still be good?  Input?
     
  2. tyotrain

    tyotrain Master of the Pit

    When in doubt throw it out... Don't want to make anyone sick
     
  3. jrod62

    jrod62 Smoking Guru Group Lead OTBS Member

    X 2  rather be safe. 
     
  4. jzampier

    jzampier Smoke Blower

    Holy Crap, I was up at 10pm last night contemplating this same thing.  Common sense kicked in and put it back in the fridge after I rubbed it down.  Good thing, preggo wife wouldn't have been happy being sick :)  Sucks man, hope it wasn't too expensive.  Did you happen to check the internal temp when you woke up realizing it was out all night?

    Pics to come shortly.
     
  5. heyer5

    heyer5 Meat Mopper

    It still seemed frozen or close to it in the middle. Wouldnt cooking it to 205 kill any bacteria?
     
  6. jzampier

    jzampier Smoke Blower

    I think if your IT temp would have been low like it would have been in the Fridge then you would be safe.  Never know until you check though.  Did you inject it at all?  Better safe than sorry getting sick, $10 is not worth the risk.
     
  7. rstr hunter

    rstr hunter Smoking Fanatic

    I'd guess that you likely would be OK as you said it's still partially frozen, but personally agree with those above and figure it's not worth getting sick over and sure wouldn't risk getting anyone else sick over either.  Go get a new one and Happy Smoking.  
     
  8. pops6927

    pops6927 Smoking Guru Staff Member Moderator Group Lead OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Well, need a bit more facts though.  What, to you, is "all night"?  To me that's 3-4 hours, only sleep that much before I have to get vertical.  2nd, did you take a surface temp and probe it slowly with your therm to see what the varying degrees were?  Those numbers would be your answers.  Probably too late now, if you don't trust it toss it.  In the grand scheme of things, $20 for a new butt is a lot cheaper than $150 - $300 or more for an ER visit.  Even if it's coincidental (had a flu bug but got sick after having dinner, not from the meat, but from the meal - fat, spice, etc.) You'd probably won't even want to do a butt ever again.  Or if your wife found out, she'd never eat it again.  So, forget the $20 bucks and be safe.
     
  9. heyer5

    heyer5 Meat Mopper

    The fiance already knows it was out all night.  And when I mean all night, I'm talking 8 hours in about a 60-63 degree house.  Before I knew about the 40-140 rule, I unthawed a butt in hot water in a sink all day before smoking it and no one got sick.  I still find it hard to believe that any bacteria is going to survive at 205 degrees, but better safe than sorry I suppose.
     
  10. Throw it out is the best policy. Food borne illness is a serious sickness....[​IMG]
     
  11. heyer5

    heyer5 Meat Mopper

    Yep, it is finding the trash this morning.  Not to happy about my screw up!  Gonna be a long Sunday with nothing to do and nothing to smoke!
     
  12. It's cheaper than a speeding ticket...Look at it that way and you may run to the store and buy ingredients for some ABT'........We have all done it, don't beat yourself up...human error....[​IMG]
     
  13. dward51

    dward51 Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    is it still cryovac'ed or was it just wrapped?

    If vac sealed, I bet more than about 1/2" in it was still frozen solid.  Don't they spray those things or nuke them before shipping when vac packed to kill bacteria anyway?
     
  14. heyer5

    heyer5 Meat Mopper


    It was just paper wrapped from Fareway.  I ended up throwing it out and not smoking anything today.  I guess deer brats on the grill will have to do!
     
  15. chefrob

    chefrob Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    az
    vac seal has nothing to do with it being safe or not.

    like pops said there is not enough info to determine it's saftey.

    for those trying to make a decision base on the internal temp....not a smart move. unless you are a wiz at thermal dynamics and know how to calculate kelvin exchange rates given temps of certain perameters (none of which we have) then it is best to just put it in the frig for a couple of days..............

    btw, once you have punctured the muscle by temp probing........now you have to follow the 4hr rule
     
     
  16. chefrob

    chefrob Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    az
    remenber, it's not always the bacteria that can get you sick.............bacteria is a living organism so it produces waste that is also toxic.
     
     
  17. heyer5

    heyer5 Meat Mopper

    I never punctured the meat, I knew better!  I thought it would have been fine to smoke but I played it on the safe side and tossed it.  I guess I'll have to wait another week to light the smoker.  However, I have venison brats on the charcoal grill right now with some apple wood.  That way I will at least get the scent of the wood even if it doesn't influence any taste (which it has in the past believe it or not)
     
  18. chefrob

    chefrob Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    az

     sounds like ya made a good decision and then got right back in it..........[​IMG]
     
  19. You did the right thing. Buy one next week and smoke it...Forget about this one....
     
  20. mneeley490

    mneeley490 Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    I feel for you. I once threw a perfectly good rubbed butt onto my offset, forgetting in my excitement that I hadn't burned off the nastys from all the mods I'd just made. Fired it up and out came billows of thick gray smoke! That butt went into the trash, too. [​IMG]
     

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