Featured Salami Cotto and Kielbasa Krakowska

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Salami is from Poli , Krakow from Marianski .
All done with pre cured meat cubes . Pork was cured 3 days pre grind , 1 day post grind .
Beef was 1 day pre grind , 1 day post grind .

The pork was butt that was pre cut into strips at the store . Managers special , so that saved me some knife work and didn't need a whole butt .
The beef came from 22 pounds of chuck pectoral that I had to clean up for grind . Saved 1 1/4 pounds of cubes .

Cube up the pork . Add the salt and cure only .
Mix it in good .
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Pack it tight in the bowl , and put plastic wrap down tight to the
cubes . Into the fridge at 36 degrees for 3 days .
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Same for the beef .
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Ready to grind . This is 3 days for the pork , but only one for the beef .
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Both went through the 1/8" plate . This is the pork .
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The salami was 50/50 pork and beef . All seasoned and mixed .
This took less than 1/2 cup of liquid . No binders . Recipe called for NFDM and phosphates .
Didn't need either one . I stopped following recipes for liquid amounts , and binder amounts a long time ago .
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Krakow was all pork , with pre cured pork cubes . All seasoned and mixed ,
Plastic wrap down tight to keep the air out , then back in the fridge overnight .
I did use potato starch and a bit more liquid for this .
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Next day I got set up to stuff . Did the Salami in the SV start to finish , so I used 80 mm
waterproof casings . 152 for 4 hours . Finish IT was 151 .
Krakow was hung at room temp for 2 hours . Then cooked in the MES start to finish .
I set the MES to 150 . Hang the chub and start it up . When the IT was 135 , I bumped the smoker up to 165 .
Pulled at 148 , no water bath .

Both were cooled and held overnight .
Next day , ready for a peak . Mixed what was left in the stuffer , and
cooked it in the oven .
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Nice color on the Krakow . That's not from smoke , that's from pre curing .
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Cut in half , and a couple sample slices .
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Close up of the Krakow .
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Cotto Salami ,
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The salami was spot on perfect . The long precure makes it .
Really gives better depth of color and flavor .
I did add sodium erythorbate to set and hold the color . Also acts as a binding agent .

The Krakow has the look and texture . The smell is insane . I double the amount of fresh garlic ,
and upped the Marjoram by half .

BUT , here's where I made a stupid mistake .
I buy these at the store . Burgers is Missouri based and makes smoked meats .
So I buy these from time to time , and have them on hand as back up .
I needed them to do the Karkow , because I ground up all my pre cured pork chunks .
That was mistake number 1 .
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Mistake number 2 , and the big one . Didn't account for the salt .
I talk about reading ingredient labels and knowing what they mean .
I normally do , but was in a hurry . I've used them before without issue .

Looked at the bag at the store yesterday . 4oz. serving is 88% of the daily value .
Whole bag is 12 oz.
It's not so bad that it hits you right away , but a few slices in it starts to show up .
Might be better on a sandwich . I'll revisit that today . Might just cube it up and freeze it for
green beans and potatoes .

That's it .
 

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Looks great from here! I bought a butt yesterday to grind, but I'm probably going a different direction.
 
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Looks great from here! I bought a butt yesterday to grind, but I'm probably going a different direction.
Thanks . I did some Mortadella a couple weeks ago . One section was really nice , so I cut some steaks out of it . Also did one that was only about 3/8's thick . Salt and pepper , then grill hot and fast . Made a great sandwich .
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Looks awesome Rich!
Thanks Norm . Appreciate that .
 
Cotto Salami is a real fav of mine
It's perfect . I did one a couple years ago , and it was OK . The pre cure makes it .
That's from Len Poli . The american version . Under lunch meat .

those great
Thanks bud . Doing the lunch meat stuff is a lot of fun . You can use a mold to form it . I use an old butter tub , then vac seal and poach or pull it out of the mold and into the smoker on a piece of foil until it sets up .
I got green beans in the IP right now. I love them made with my buck board bacon. Such a great smoke flavor!
Love that . Did some last year with a ham hock I cured . Green beans , russet potatoes and that hock . Fresh baked bread and some butter . That's a meal ,,, when it's not 100 degrees outside .
 
chopsaw chopsaw really nice! That cotto looks great. I'd like to try it. I access the Len Poli recipes via lpoli.50webs.com, but it is very hard to navigate and find stuff. I couldn't find his cotto salami... Could you give me a point out, or a link to recipe somewhere?

I've also seen folks mention lpoli recipes tend to be a bit bland. Do you like this cotto one as-is, or any tweaks?
Thanks much!
 
chopsaw chopsaw really nice! That cotto looks great. I'd like to try it. I access the Len Poli recipes via lpoli.50webs.com, but it is very hard to navigate and find stuff. I couldn't find his cotto salami... Could you give me a point out, or a link to recipe somewhere?

I've also seen folks mention lpoli recipes tend to be a bit bland. Do you like this cotto one as-is, or any tweaks?
Thanks much!
It's listed under luncheon meats poached or steam- no smoke
 
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That cotto looks great.
Thanks Dave .
Could you give me a point out, or a link to recipe somewhere?
If you get to the recipe page , it's under Lunch meats . Then poached or steamed without smoke .
He has 3 there , this was the American version .

I made some adjustments . With the pre cured cubes , it didn't need any of the binders .
I subbed allspice for the cardamom . Forgot to add the ginger . Love ginger in sausages . Didn't want to try to add it , because it was set up and I didn't want to add water .

Dave all my stuff is based from Marianski . I use 18 grams of salt for 2 1/2 pounds of grind .
I know strange , but that's what works for me and what I'm doing . Keeps my salt at the lower end and gives me a certain number of links when doing link sausage .
I just keep that ratio as my base , and from there it's a spice profile . I add more of what I like .
I do all the liquid or binder by what it needs , not what the recipe says .

So as far as bland I can't say because I'm kicking it up for my taste .
 
Rich, very nicely done bud! Man, we are our own worse critics… and sorry if it’s a bit too salty… That being said, you knocked that out of the park buddy! Damn fine job! I’d eat myself into a food coma with all that!
 
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Well Rich… all I can say is “Please keep hands and feet inside the ride at all times… Please buckle your ass up… and prepare for a ride!” 😉

In all seriousness bud…. you have a well deserved ride!
 
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Thanks Dave .

If you get to the recipe page , it's under Lunch meats . Then poached or steamed without smoke .
He has 3 there , this was the American version .

I made some adjustments . With the pre cured cubes , it didn't need any of the binders .
I subbed allspice for the cardamom . Forgot to add the ginger . Love ginger in sausages . Didn't want to try to add it , because it was set up and I didn't want to add water .

Dave all my stuff is based from Marianski . I use 18 grams of salt for 2 1/2 pounds of grind .
I know strange , but that's what works for me and what I'm doing . Keeps my salt at the lower end and gives me a certain number of links when doing link sausage .
I just keep that ratio as my base , and from there it's a spice profile . I add more of what I like .
I do all the liquid or binder by what it needs , not what the recipe says .

So as far as bland I can't say because I'm kicking it up for my taste .
Thx much for your reply. I did the math, thats 1.58% salt. So with 0.25% cure1 added, whichbis 2.34g salt per kg meat, that's 1.79%, pretty much right on target for the 1.8% salt I also use mostly ;)
 
Salami is from Poli , Krakow from Marianski .
All done with pre cured meat cubes . Pork was cured 3 days pre grind , 1 day post grind .
Beef was 1 day pre grind , 1 day post grind .

The pork was butt that was pre cut into strips at the store . Managers special , so that saved me some knife work and didn't need a whole butt .
The beef came from 22 pounds of chuck pectoral that I had to clean up for grind . Saved 1 1/4 pounds of cubes .

Cube up the pork . Add the salt and cure only .
Mix it in good .
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Pack it tight in the bowl , and put plastic wrap down tight to the
cubes . Into the fridge at 36 degrees for 3 days .
View attachment 702621
Same for the beef .
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View attachment 702623
Ready to grind . This is 3 days for the pork , but only one for the beef .
View attachment 702624
Both went through the 1/8" plate . This is the pork .
View attachment 702625
The salami was 50/50 pork and beef . All seasoned and mixed .
This took less than 1/2 cup of liquid . No binders . Recipe called for NFDM and phosphates .
Didn't need either one . I stopped following recipes for liquid amounts , and binder amounts a long time ago .
View attachment 702627
Krakow was all pork , with pre cured pork cubes . All seasoned and mixed ,
Plastic wrap down tight to keep the air out , then back in the fridge overnight .
I did use potato starch and a bit more liquid for this .
View attachment 702628
Next day I got set up to stuff . Did the Salami in the SV start to finish , so I used 80 mm
waterproof casings . 152 for 4 hours . Finish IT was 151 .
Krakow was hung at room temp for 2 hours . Then cooked in the MES start to finish .
I set the MES to 150 . Hang the chub and start it up . When the IT was 135 , I bumped the smoker up to 165 .
Pulled at 148 , no water bath .

Both were cooled and held overnight .
Next day , ready for a peak . Mixed what was left in the stuffer , and
cooked it in the oven .
View attachment 702633
Nice color on the Krakow . That's not from smoke , that's from pre curing .
View attachment 702636

Cut in half , and a couple sample slices .
View attachment 702631
Close up of the Krakow .
View attachment 702635
Cotto Salami ,
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The salami was spot on perfect . The long precure makes it .
Really gives better depth of color and flavor .
I did add sodium erythorbate to set and hold the color . Also acts as a binding agent .

The Krakow has the look and texture . The smell is insane . I double the amount of fresh garlic ,
and upped the Marjoram by half .

BUT , here's where I made a stupid mistake .
I buy these at the store . Burgers is Missouri based and makes smoked meats .
So I buy these from time to time , and have them on hand as back up .
I needed them to do the Karkow , because I ground up all my pre cured pork chunks .
That was mistake number 1 .
View attachment 702629
Mistake number 2 , and the big one . Didn't account for the salt .
I talk about reading ingredient labels and knowing what they mean .
I normally do , but was in a hurry . I've used them before without issue .

Looked at the bag at the store yesterday . 4oz. serving is 88% of the daily value .
Whole bag is 12 oz.
It's not so bad that it hits you right away , but a few slices in it starts to show up .
Might be better on a sandwich . I'll revisit that today . Might just cube it up and freeze it for
green beans and potatoes .

That's it .
That all looks fantastic!
Hey, not all the time do we nail it, but I'm pretty sure you can enjoy eating your less than perfect results.
I've found that when a sausage or sandwich meat is a bit too salty that it works really well on a slice of bread with plenty of mustard.
That seems to dilute the extra salt content very well for me. The flulffer or bigger the bread the more salt dilluting it seems :D
 
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