I see this is your first post here, would you do us a favor and go to "Roll Call" and introduce yourself so we can get to know you and give you a proper welcome, also would you add your location to your profile, we like knowing where you are when we talk to you, Thanks!I like the apple juice/ vinegar mix as well. After wrapping, I go with pineapple juice and some Budweiser. Two hours rest in the box and pull.