Pit Barrel Fail and fail and fail and fail

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cuddyk

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May 22, 2015
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Hi Smokers! I've been smoking for years and get great results from my smokin-it 3 electric and MB gas...but for the life of me I can't get anything edible out of the Pit Barrel. I've followed all directions to a T, monitored temps and experimented with vent settings and how many briquettes to light first...but my ribs come out charred, dry and un-servable every time. I had to throw 4 racks away last weekend and I'm about to throw the PBC away, too. I know there are tons of great reviews for this thing, so is there something I'm missing? Or is this the smoking equivalent of the emperor's new clothes?
 
Here's some threads I found . Might be something helpful in there .
I don't have a barrel smoker , but sounds like air flow / fire condition . Someone that knows will be along to help you .


 
"experimented with vent settings"

I don't think you're supposed to experiment with the vent settings. Maybe that's the problem. You have to know your elevation above sea level and then set the intake accordingly.


Good luck
 
I've never smoked on a barrel cooker, but it looks like it would be similar to a WSM. Look up the minion method and see if you think it would work for your cooker.

Chris
 
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I've never cooked on a barrel smoker but have been awed by some of the food I've seen done on them. Couple things though...first, please don't toss it just yet :emoji_wink: Second, hang in there for a bit and see what sort of help comes along by way of the folks here. You've already gotten pointed in a couple different directions but some folks here know these things by heart. I can almost promise that somebody comes along and lends a helping hand. Once you get pointed in the right direction and already having experience smoking meat, you're likely going to be turning out some first class Q on that barrel very soon.

Robert
 
Thanks, guys. I started by following PBC's instructions on their website and videos precisely. Number of coals in the starter, using their chimney, duration of starting before spreading, setting the vent for altitude, making sure there were no leaks around the lid, etc. On the first few cooks, the temp got to 375 and never settled down. I experimented with small changes to the vent and was able to get one cook to stabilize between 250-300. That temp window hasn't happened again since, even though nothing in the lighting process or setup changed. And when I say I've. been precise...I mean to the point of hand counting coals and using a stopwatch on the starting process. My guess is that the weather / wind plays a big role. Even on that one cook, the ribs (baby backs) closest to the coal basket were petrified, and the bark was charred. I don't use a lot of sugar in my rub, but it definitely seemed as if the sugar burnt. I did about 10 cooks at roughly 900 feet elevation...with nothing delicious resulting. I have since moved to Utah and just under 6,000 feet. I've done 5 cooks with St. Louis ribs (including some test ones to make sure the vent was set correctly, but the results are the same. Cook times between 3 and 5 hours. As I mentioned, I'm not new to smoking, so I'm a bit baffled as to how my results are so different than the raves I hear from others. I'm definitely not above thinking it's on me, however ;). Any help is appreciated.
 
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I'm thinking instead of setting the intake vent at a predetermined spot... go ahead and close it down... lots of times it has to be just about closed down all the way (1/16" - 1/8") to keep temps down low enough...

have you closed it down all the way to see if the fire will go out (leaving top vent open) ??
 
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Thanks. Yep. when I close the vent I can't get the temp above 200. Especially here at 6000 feet. But temp is only part of the issue. On that one cook where the temp was ok, the ribs closest to the coals were petrified and the rub was carbonized. I even tried a trick I saw on youtube where someone used two hooks and rotated the ribs mid cook. Just seems like way too much work for a cooker that's supposed to be set-and-forget, with food that doesn't taste great.
 
I absolutely love my PBC jr for ribs. This cooker is designed to run at 275F once you dial it in. I ignored the directions and run pit IQ 110 controller, this makes a world of difference.


RG
 
food is directly over the coals. The manufacturer says that convection keeps the ones closest to the fire from overcooking, but that hasn't been my experience. Using the IQ 110 is interesting. So...do you seal off all other air sources and let the 100 hold at 275?
 
I've read the PBC lighting instructions. Lighting 20-40 coals will give you a "fast" and hot fire. The WSM gives the same instructions. IMO, both recommend an excessive amount of hot charcoal briquettes.

The PBC instructions say "start cooking immediately" after adding the hot coals. The WSM instructions say something similar. Both recommendations are total horse piles, IMO.

I stopped reading at this point and never got to their recommendation for adding wood chunks (I couldn't find it, actually). Everything I read online says to add the wood chunks on top of the cold charcoal. Bury them instead to allow the wood to preheat and carbonize cleanly.

The major error in both the PBC and the WSM instructions is making the device seem quick and easy. Since when is "quick" a word associated with smoking? Easy? Absolutely, but NEVER quick.

Since you experimented with the vent settings, try this on for size, or sell your PBC to me for a fraction of what you paid.
1. Wood chunks first in the charcoal basket.
2. Fill the basket with cold charcoal.
3. Only light 8-10 briquettes in your chimney.
4. Set the bottom vent at 1/4 to 1/2 the opening for your altitude.
5. Add the hot briquettes to the pile on the opposite side of the bottom vent.
6. WALK AWAY FROM THE SMOKER FOR AN HOUR OR MORE.
7. Monitor a slow rise in the chamber temp and let it stabilize.
8. Add the meat.
9. Don't make ANY adjustments when the chamber temp drops with the addition of the meat. The colder meat acts like a heat sponge, absorbing heat energy. The fire is still burning EXACTLY like it was.
10. Once the meat warms in an hour or two, if the chamber temp starts to rise beyond your target, close the lower vent slightly, like 1/4 inch. If it doesn't reach your target temp, open it no more than the same amount. Then wait 20 minutes for the temp to move and stabilize.

A slow fire will give you better results than a fast one. Hey, what have you got to lose?
 
I'll agree with noboundaries noboundaries to a point... I didn't know the instructions say to light that many coals to start with... YES... That's way to many... It's much easier to bring temps up than it is to bring them down (as you have experienced already)...

I open vents wide open when starting to bring temps up... Start closing them down when temps get 25 degrees from where you want to be... Close down to a quarter of an inch or so and see if temps start to slow down on the climb ... Then adjust with minuet adjustments to get to desired temp .. as stated above... 10-20 minutes between adjustments ...
 
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One more comment. I've used my WSM like a PBC; no heat deflector. It worked fine as long as I rotated the lid once an hour to even out the heat flow.

A relative has a homemade PBC he made out of an old Weber Kettle (Kettle bottom, 24-inch tall stainless steel sheet welded into a barrel, Kettle top, holes drilled in the barrel for rebar, ribs hung on meat hooks). He uses it for backyard parties. One guess how he starts his fire.
 
I have a OKJ Bronco that I've only cooked on a couple times, so no expert. With that caveat, what are you using for a thermometer and do you know its accurate. Where are you getting a reading from? I hand a probe from a Maverick thermometer right in the middle of the barrel.
 
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