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This is just how i have been seeing the forum for the past several months.........JUST MY VIEW OF THINGS.

98% of the posts are in content and very helpful with the content of the forum. Lets not forget SMF (Which y'all know what it means)
Yes we have many posting areas that are of different content, Sides, breads, curing, marinades and so on.

What i have seen is posts being bashed, harsh content , bad mouthing, nay sayers (we all can disagree on things) Out of content just plain garbage.

NO I'M NOT SAYING, dont post your fallen loved one , pets, ill family or friends, prayers needed or just need an ear.....WE ALL BEEN THERE.

I have seen a small group of members bad mouthing, bashing, talking smack or WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. IT NEEDS TO STOP.
SMF is a family oriented group and some need to GROW UP.
IMHO The ones causing the discord should have a permanent ban....But thats not my call.

Lets get back to helping each other with things in common with the forum.

Yeah i'm sure this post will be blown out of proportion with some criticism.......
If the Admins dont like this post they can remove it.
 
Wow! You're just noticing this, or finally a speaking out?
This has been going on for a long time, spilling out of the Chat, and has basically been not only condoned but taken part in by person's supposedly held in the trust of SMF.
It's a big part of why I'm not as active as I was.
Particularly after someone as upstanding as Bearcarver Bearcarver was openly ridiculed.

Jeff needs to clean house.
 
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I have seen a small group of members bad mouthing, bashing, talking smack or WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. IT NEEDS TO STOP.
SMF is a family oriented group and some need to GROW UP.
That's spot on . Some of us have spoken up and it went no where .
Take a look at how many of the guys that offer good info and fantastic cooks that don't post anymore . Without them , it gets slow fast .

Jeff needs to clean house.
I agree .
 
I'm still new here, but I have been on some other forums, not barbecue related, for many years. I see the same thing. Posters who have been around for many years tend to not post as much, and new people come in and don't know the culture, inside jokes, or whatever the case may be. Something always is lost as time goes by.

I enjoy this forum and have not seen what y'all are talking about, but that just proves my comment. While it seems very cordial overall to me, I haven't been around long enough to know how things have always been around here.

I hope long time posters continue to post.
 
Jeff, please open up a PM with those who can provide details as to who(m) might need either, a private discussion with warning, or possibly shown the door.
 
That's exactly right . They're supposed to keep this stuff in check , but instead they add to it or completely ignore it .
Dont forget the part where if you do stand up for yourself or others you end up getting treated like you're the problem instead of the actual elephant in the room.......
 
WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. IT NEEDS TO STOP.
Some of us have already spoken up.
Some of us have spoken up and it went no where

Rick, thanks for posting this. It's refreshing to see a staff member recognize the issues and bring them to light. This has been going on for a long time and I'm quite certain that numerous attempts have been made by forum members to upper level staff and admins to bring the problems to a closure but all attempts have been discounted. It has seemed on numerous occasions that those in question are actually protected by the admins as opposed to being called to task as should be the case. The issues are just swept under the carpet with the rationale that "if you don't like it, don't read it". Seems odd...if we don't read it how are we supposed to know if we like it or not? That's basically like the ostrich sticking it's head in the sand and pretending it doesn't exist because it's not seen. That's not solving the problems in the least.

Dont forget the part where if you do stand up for yourself or others you end up getting treated like you're the problem instead of the actual elephant in the room

Amen brother!! I know of a couple prominent and highly respected forum members who were threatened with being banned for trying to bring the issues to light and trying to bring them to a closure. They were dubbed as being the problem as opposed to being recognized for trying to solve the problem.

Jeff needs to clean house

Absolutely. Sweeping the trash under the carpet is not cleaning house, just trying to hide the mess.
 
The problem here is perception. There is alot of information that is not made public as its not needed to be on the forum. But I assure you that if we were to clean house some of you calling for the cleaning will be gone to as you have skeletons in your closets as well. This is not a threat but a fact.

That being said not everything is seen by the admin staff. I know I don't get to read thru all of the stuff that is posted here like I would like but that is because there is alot. You have the ability to report post (both on the forum or in the chat room) and a very small few of you do this. Ironically the ones speaking up typically do not use the report button but instead they screenshot it and send it to their group of friends and then the whole group gets offended. If you flag a post it will alert staff to potential issues and we can react quicker.

If you feel attacked then bring it to the staff to handle. If you go on the defense and attack someone back then you will face consequences just like the attacker and we have had that here in the past.

There has been alot of grace given to members on both sides of this fence and if you want there to be no grace or consideration given then don't be surprised by the results.

There have been members that have been given a time out and then came back and tried to be friendly and change. But are received negatively. I have seen one member who was given the time out come back and praise something someone else did and that person tell them to not post on their threads. Funny part is that person was never part of the issue in the first place and everything was kept private on the admin side but come to find out the person that was offended took a screenshot and sent it to his group of friends then they were all mad because the first one told them they needed to be and this is wrong as well but it happened.

Now on the flip side there have been members that have been given a time out and come back to just keep it up and they have been sent packing.

As Rick said the bickering has to stop. If your offended then flag the post and move on. But if you screenshot it and send it to your group of friends to get them worked up then you just as big of a part of the problem as the one that started it. If you sit in the chat room lurking until you see something that you thinks is offensive then screenshot it and send to others again you are the issue just as much as the person who is causing the initial disturbance. Again if you see it and think its against the rules then click the flag button so it can be addresses.

We will never have a perfect world where everyone gets along thats just human nature and with the different personalities we will have people that take things differently than others. Its hard to be the middle man trying to figure things out because if you do what the people on the right wants then the right praises you while the left hates you and vise versa. You may not like the outcome but know that it is weighed heavily on what is best to do.

If you need to have a private conversation with me please let me know. I have done this with some in this thread and am willing to do it with others as well if needed.

Lastly we are not perfect and we do try our best. All I ask is that you all try you best as well. Please don't predetermine an outcome based on prior interactions as people can change. They don't always but they can. Again please reach out to us if needed. If you don't like the answer a Mod gives you then take it to myself or the admin team. If you don't like that answer ill call Jeff myself and talk about it and see what he wants to do.

Thank you all for making this forum what it is today. Lets grow and move forward to make it better tomorrow then it is today.
 
Sorry Brian, you typed faster than me, so if I said anything that you don’t agree with just let me know.
The forum has changed from when I first joined. There are a lot of folks on here that think they can bad mouth others without any consequences. When I joined up, I just wanted to know more about BBQ, and everybody was so polite & helpful. As a matter of fact I got a coleslaw recipe from a woman on here that I just don’t remember her name, on my first day on here, and I still use that same recipe. I agree with Rick, this forum should be about smoking meat, but it has morphed into a social media forum. I think that is why the old timers are gone or don’t post much. The other thing is if you put up a thread & since there are only 20 threads on the first page. Your thread will be gone in about 20 minutes. So you don’t get many people to see your threads, so why take all that time to photo & do a step by step. This whole atmosphere is chasing people away from SMF, and I don’t like that. I’m kind of looking forward to seeing what the rest of you think, because this kind of stuff is usually discussed in the MOD section. And since there are only a few of us I think it will be very insightful to understand what all the members think.
Al
 
Al makes a great point and I may not have conveyed it in my message and that we do want to make this a better place and we can only do so with feedback from everyone. I welcome it and want to hear what you have to say. To be honest that is why we have some of the forums we have here today because they have been requested. But please know these can't be 1 sided request. So please PM me with any questions or request and ill get back to you.
 
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