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Looking for "Old World" italian sausage recipe

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DANG THAT PASTA! Pretty sure this is the first thing I running when I make the leap to natty casings.

I personally think a 50/50 mix of chicken (thing + skin) and pork is about the perfect meat mix for fresh sausage. I gave up on it as thighs never go on sale anymore. Be curious if you could get 5lbs of (thighs) yield from a 10lb of legs.
 
It's a good one . He uses cure , and I always do too when making chicken sausage . Just as a precaution .


Are you using the skin ? I started out using all the skin , but now I use a percentage . You need to use some in my opinion .
Here's a thread I did when I made some . Maybe you saw it .
Notice I debone , season , hold overnight , then grind .
Doing it like that , in my opinion , grinds and distributes the skin better .
I used a pre ground 92% lean. Falls in the wheel house of the calorie count I want.
 
This recipe will do what you want. Great on pizza. My family recipe that came over from Italy over 150 years ago with my Greatgrandparents. It's the only recipe we use. I make around 150 pounds a year for the family.

18 pounds ground pork shoulder
1 cup whole fennel seed
3/4 cup paprika
1/2 cup salt
1/4-1/3 cup crushed red pepper.
Pack in casings and bulk.
 
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TVP (plus water) is your friend for low fat sausage. Pretty wild stuff. I played with it awhile. Bumps protein up too. There are number of papers that proves that it works EXTREMELY well but for some reason I cannot find them to link. Carrot fiber is supposed to be excellent as well. Both hold a TON of moisture. Like 300x their weight or something crazy like that.

This recipe will do what you want. Great on pizza. My family recipe that came over from Italy over 150 years ago with my Greatgrandparents. It's the only recipe we use. I make around 150 pounds a year for the family.

18 pounds ground pork shoulder
1 cup fennel seed
3/4 cup paprika
1/2 cup salt
1/4-1/3 cup crushed red pepper.
Pack in casings and bulk.
Thanks for that. HUGE fan of simple recipes like that. Keep fennel whole?
 
TVP (plus water) is your friend for low fat sausage. Pretty wild stuff. I played with it awhile. Bumps protein up too. There are number of papers that proves that it works EXTREMELY well but for some reason I cannot find them to link. Carrot fiber is supposed to be excellent as well. Both hold a TON of moisture. Like 300x their weight or something crazy like that.


Thanks for that. HUGE fan of simple recipes like that. Keep fennel whole?
I have used fennel whole and crushed. No different in taste too me. I like the look of whole fennel.
 
Looking for one with fennel and some heat like a good pizza joint uses. Loose style and not in any casing. Totally craving lasagna with it. Anyone have one? Or at least point me in the right direction? All store bought stuff I ever had fails miserably and way off the mark.

Thanks in advance!

Buongiorno, buonasera o buon pomeriggio, a seconda dell’orario in cui ti trovi negli Stati Uniti
Since I’m not only new here but also from the “old world” — meaning I live part time in Liguria, Italy — I’d like to share the original recipe from one of the nonnas in a small village up in the Ligurian mountains. You can add it to pretty much anything that was mentioned above. Enjoy trying it out.
You’ll have to excuse me, but coming from the old world, I still use metric units—grams and kilograms.
In Ligurian Italian sausage, there is no paprika, chili peppers, or any other spicy ingredients. Instead, the heat is adjusted using black pepper. The distinctive flavor can be tuned by the amount of fennel, which should be freshly ground.


Ligurian Salsiccia
==================================

MEAT, FAT & LIQUID
------------------
- Pork shoulder: 650 g
- Pork belly: 350 g

Total batch: 1000 g

SEASONING & INGREDIENTS
-----------------------
(per kg of total batch -> amount for your batch; spices always in grams)

- Sea salt: 18 g/kg -> 18 g for this batch
- Black pepper: 3 g/kg -> 3 g for this batch
- White wine, dry : 40 g/kg -> 40 g for this batch
- Nutmeg: 1 g/kg -> 1 g for this batch
- Cinnamon: 0.5 g/kg -> 0.5 g for this batch
- Cloves: 0.3 g/kg -> 0.3 g for this batch


It is a delicately spiced fresh sausage from the Liguria, Italy — milder and more refined than the rustic sausages of southern Italy, thanks to white wine, nutmeg, cinnamon and a whisper of clove. Meat: pork shoulder or leg (lean) and pork belly (pancetta), rind removed. Wine: a dry Ligurian white, ideally Vermentino. Nutmeg, cinnamon and cloves: the gram values above are an approximate conversion from 1/2 tsp nutmeg, 1/4 tsp cinnamon and a small pinch of ground cloves — freshly grated/ground is best. Casing: natural hog casing, caliber 28/30, or a finer sheep casing.

Method:
1. Chill the meat: cut the shoulder and belly into rough cubes. Place in the freezer for 30–45 minutes — the meat should be ice-cold and just starting to firm up, so the fat doesn't smear during grinding.
2. Grind: pass the meat through the medium plate of your grinder (4.5–6 mm). The Ligurian style is somewhat finer in texture than the rustic southern Italian versions. But every time they produced a new batch of sausage in the village, the texture and consistency would turn out slightly different.
3. Mix the spices: combine the salt with the pepper, nutmeg, cinnamon and ground cloves. Sprinkle evenly over the ground meat, then pour the white wine over it.
4. Knead: work the mixture firmly with cold hands or the dough hook of a stand mixer for about 5 minutes. The meat needs to build a noticeable bind and turn slightly tacky. Since we also hunt wild boar in our area, the sausage is sometimes made from wild boar, or from a mix of half domestic pork and half wild boar. In that case, it becomes drier and less fatty.
5. Stuff: flush the natural casing thoroughly with lukewarm water. Slide it onto the stuffing tube. Fill the batter in without air pockets, then twist into links every 10–12 cm.
6. Vent and rest: prick any air bubbles with a fine needle. Hang the sausages uncovered in the fridge for 12–24 hours. This will dry the casing surface, firms up the texture, and will give more flavor.

You can do whatever you want with it—fry it, cook it, split open the casing and add it to a pasta sauce, or put it on the barbecue, whatever works for you.

Nice to be here!


Ligurian Salsiccia
==================================

MEAT, FAT & LIQUID
------------------
- Pork shoulder: 1 lb 6.9 oz
- Pork belly: 12.3 oz

Total batch: 2 lb 3.3 oz

SEASONING & INGREDIENTS
-----------------------
(per kg of total batch -> amount for your batch; spices always in grams)

- Sea salt: 18 g/kg -> 18 g for this batch
- Black pepper: 3 g/kg -> 3 g for this batch
- White wine: 40 g/kg -> 40 g for this batch
- Nutmeg: 1 g/kg -> 1 g for this batch
- Cinnamon: 0.5 g/kg -> 0.5 g for this batch
- Cloves: 0.3 g/kg -> 0.3 g for this batch
 
I’d like to share the original recipe
Always looking for stuff like this . One thing a lot of Americans don't realize , is how regional Italian foods are . Italian sausage is " Fennel " to most of them . St. Louis has a good selection of Italian foods . I do a fair amount of looking and reading about the regional differences in sausages especially .
I had to look these up , because it was one I have not heard of them .
Thanks for sharing .
The distinctive flavor can be tuned by the amount of fennel,
You don't list fennel in the ingredients , so are you saying you can add it to change the profile , or did you forget to list it ?
I like a sweet Italian sausage , but more into the non fennel legit recipies .
 
I have not tried this recipe yet but hope too soon -

Ingredient
Percentage of Meat Weight
Grams (for 2268g of meat)
Kosher Salt1.98%45g
Coarsely Ground Black Pepper~0.56%~12.8g
Red Pepper Flakes~0.66%~15g (for 2.5 Tbsp)
Fennel Seed~0.53%~12g
Paprika~0.62%~14g
Garlic Powder~0.40%~9g
Dried Oregano~0.04%~1g
Dry Red Wine5.2%118g
 
That’s correct — fennel is used little or not at all, at least only very subtly, while rosemary is sometimes more prominent instead. In some regions, the sausage is also leaner, with a fat content of around 20–25%. But of course, fennel can be added without any issue. And when I buy a salsiccia from a butcher in Imperia, in most cases it actually does contain fennel.
 
That’s correct — fennel is used little o
This is another typical salsiccia recipe. It includes fennel and rosemary, and the overall flavor profile is quite balanced. The cinnamon content is always important because it conveys a certain sensory sweetness and warmth.
I live near Imperia, not far from Nice and Monaco. In our village, there are many old Monegasque houses dating back to the 18th and 19th centuries. As a result, when it comes to cuisine, we have certainly absorbed many influences from France and Monaco over the centuries.
In addition, people from Piedmont moved into the area, so Piedmontese cuisine — which is somewhat heartier and cannot really be compared with Southern Italian cuisine — also became part of the local culinary tradition.
All of this naturally changes, from region to region, the idea of how a sausage should or could be prepared.
My wife, for example, absolutely loves fennel. I can never put enough fennel into the sausage for her. Even when I accidentally used three times the amount, she still said, “Oh, this is wonderful.”

IngredientAmount
Pork shoulder, marbled1¾ lb
Pork belly, fatty7 oz
Sea salt18 g/kg
Black pepper, coarse5 g/kg
Garlic, fresh, chopped4 g/kg
Chili flakes or powder1 g/kg
Rosemary needles, fresh, chopped5 g/kg
Coriander leaves, fresh2 g/kg
Fennel seeds, crushed3 g/kg
Ground cloves (or allspice)2 g/kg
Ground cinnamon2 g/kg
Dry red !! wine100 ml/kg
Total spices (with Wine)142 g
Total weight1,142 g
 
That’s correct — fennel is used little or not at all,
I only asked because you mentioned it at the end of your post , but it wasn't in the list . So just checking .
I'll make a batch as listed , then split it and add fennel or anise to half .
I recently did a green onion variety . Pretty good .
 
I only asked because you mentioned it at the end of your post
Spring onions work very well in a bratwurst that is meant to be freshly grilled, especially the green parts, lightly sautéed in olive oil. With bratwursts like these, you can adjust the spices quite flexibly to match your personal taste without ruining much.

OT
When it comes to German sausage recipes, however — recipes that are balanced and calibrated down to the very last detail, where every gram truly matters — that is usually not possible. In most cases, you end up changing the optimal flavor profile. I’ve experimented with this often enough, and the original recipe always turned out to be the best one. That is especially true for so-called Frankfurter Fleischwurst, both smoked and unsmoked, or for the classic Lyoner, for example. In the 1980s and 1990s, you could go to almost any butcher in a German village and still get a proper Frankfurter Fleischwurst. In today’s world, you often have to try twenty different places just to find one that still produces a genuinely good one.
 
Spring onions work very well in a bratwurst that is meant to be freshly grilled, especially the green parts, lightly sautéed in olive oil. With bratwursts like these, you can adjust the spices quite flexibly to match your personal taste without ruining much.

OT
When it comes to German sausage recipes, however — recipes that are balanced and calibrated down to the very last detail, where every gram truly matters — that is usually not possible. In most cases, you end up changing the optimal flavor profile. I’ve experimented with this often enough, and the original recipe always turned out to be the best one. That is especially true for so-called Frankfurter Fleischwurst, both smoked and unsmoked, or for the classic Lyoner, for example. In the 1980s and 1990s, you could go to almost any butcher in a German village and still get a proper Frankfurter Fleischwurst. In today’s world, you often have to try twenty different places just to find one that still produces a genuinely good one.

Glad you joined and posted! I look forward to seeing some threads. Regional differences are a BIG deal. Not just Italy or Germany. Here in Ohio we have a town known for brats and they are SUPER mild. Nothing like a Wisconsin brat yet only a few states away. While I do plan to explore italian regional sausages, I am first trying to nail down what I envision would be served in the 50s in the Bronx which I know is not real italian but that's what I like. Here in the US there's a chain called Buca di Beppo and EVERYTHING is made that way. Decor of the place etc is all gaudy and over the top to boot.
 
That is likely Bucyrus? and that is exactly why I joined in—to get information like this.
WOW You s****ing me?!?! Yes it is! I'd send you some and have a corp Fedex account but international is a whole other beast. Bucyrus brats mean Carles. https://carlesbrats.com/ Place is like 30m from me. We got a thread in here. It's _VERY_ mild. Spices are VERY light. I'd say white pepper + caraway and a TINY amount. Spices are so light you can taste the egg...

https://www.smokingmeatforums.com/threads/looking-for-a-bucyrus-brat-recipe.313555/
 
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