Larb/Laab Gai

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chef k-dude

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Edit: Please see my refined recipe and narrative below.

Who likes Thai food?

There isn't a forum here that this seemed to fit. Mod's are welcome to move it if there is one I missed.

This is Thai adjacent. Not perfectly traditional.

Larb Gai is lettuce wraps. Laab Gai can have lettuce on the side that can be used as wraps or eaten as a finger food along with the meat mixture and other toppings.
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4-servings but you may need a bit more sauce for topping the 3rd or 4th. This is a great sauce in general, doubling it, you may find other uses, like a dumpling dipper, etc. I’m usually only serving two and will have to make a bit more sauce for the leftovers. Picture shows one serving.

Described below is what you see in the picture and the recipe I'm currently working on and tweaking.

Pans-10” non-stick skillet and whatever you use to make rice.

Make a batch of rice (usually 1 cup rice to 2 cups water or thereabouts) (whatever rice you like, but I would not use brown or wild for this). Keep at room temp while making the rest of this meal.

Make toasted rice topper:

In the skillet, dry, ¼ cup uncooked rice, med-high. Roast the rice, stirring and shaking here and there until the rice is toasted brown, being careful not to burn. I start lowering the temp as it gets brown similar to how I do with a roux.

Let the toasted rice cool (you’ll be prepping for a while anyway) and put in a spice grinder (or mortar and pestle of you are a glutton for punishment) and grind to not quite a true powder. This is going to add an interesting crunch, but you don’t want dust or too coarse.

Sauce: Use sauce for cooking liquid and for topping. Makes about ½ cup or so. Double this to be sure of enough for 4 servings drizzled.

Juice of 2 limes
2 tsp brown sugar or other sweetener to taste
1 tbl low-sodium soy sauce
1 tbl Thai mushroom soy sauce (this stuff is fantastic)
2 tbls rice vinegar
2 tbls Fish sauce
2 tsp Chili/garlic sauce (This is good stuff)
2-tsp Sriracha
1-tsp finely grated ginger

*Whisk it all. Bumping in the microwave to warm so the sugar dissolves, helps. I add the sugar to the lemon juice and do this (30 seconds in an old 800watt microwave), then add all the other ingredients, some of which are from the fridge which cools it back down. Or make the sauce first or ahead of time and it will cool to room temp by the time you need it.

Meat mixture:

1 lb of ground meat (chicken, turkey or pork. Chicken is traditional but I like pork better)
Peanut oil as needed for cooking
Lots of minced fresh ginger (you almost can’t overdo it)
lots of garlic, minced
handful chopped onions
Green onion tops or chives, chopped (optional)
Chopped hot peppers (one large jalapeno or other similar amount of pepper of choice)(the ones we get are usually mild, thus the red pepper flakes, if your peppers are hot, skip the flakes)
handful chopped mushrooms (optional)
½ cup + or -cooked rice (optional for a keto-ish version)
Cilantro, plucked from the stems (optional for those that don’t like it, basil, Thai basil and mint are options). I use a lot.
Coarse black pepper
Red pepper flakes (optional for those who cant handle the heat, the sauce has a little heat already)

In the 10” non-stick skillet, sauté the onion and pepper in peanut oil until somewhat softened, (add the fresh mushrooms about half way through if using) toss in the garlic and remove from heat, stirring, about 30 seconds. Remove from skillet.

Brown the meat, eventually breaking it down to a fairly fine texture after draining if using pork. If using chicken or turkey you will need some oil. Peanut oil is what I use for “Asian”. If using pork you will need to drain the fat. Do this before the meat is fully browned/cooked.

Add the meat back to the pan if having drained over a colander and chop it up well quickly (I love this tool), add the ginger, black and red pepper (eyeball it, I use probably 2 tsp black and 1 tsp red…by eye). Cook for a few minutes to finish the meat and release the flavors of the ginger and peppers.

Add the onion, pepper, garlic mixture (and green onion tops or chives if using) and break up about a half cup of rice over the skillet and mix well with the meat mixture.

Add a good amount of sauce, but remember to reserve some for topping. Taste and adjust. About ¾ of the base sauce recipe should be about right but add less at first and taste and adjust for those who are salt adverse.

Cook until the sauce is cooked off/absorbed. Turn off heat and leave pan on the warm eye or keep "just warm". You want this to be “Goldilocks warm” for serving.

While cooking the above, begin your mis en place of the toppings.

Toppings, etc.: (use your head as to how much based on how many servings you are serving)

Large lettuce leaves if using as wraps. Any size for eating with fingers or fork/knife
Cooked rice. Sticky rice is traditional, I think. Not what I used here but you cant see it anyway!
Cucumber, peeled and seeded. I cut even an English cucumber in half and scoop the seeds out, then cut slivered half-moons.
Thinly sliced then rough chopped sweet onion, or
Green onions, white parts bias cut (optional)
Jalapeno peppers, halved, seeded and slivered
Chopped tomatoes (good, but not traditional). Drain or blot the chopped tomatoes if they are juicy.
Shredded carrot. A mostly decorative topping.
Fresh mint, cilantro, or basil
Ground toasted rice

In the picture was my fantasy of serving as big lettuce wraps…epic fail! But, eating with a fork and tearing some lettuce away to influence the ingredients on to the fork and eating the lettuce with fingers and fork was still tasty. In hindsight, a spoon larger than a teaspoon would have been handy.

To make functional lettuce wraps you need far less filling than I did here, per wrap.

But this plating went as thus:

2 large leaf lettuce leave down on the plates.
Top with about a palmful of rice (room temp)
Meat mixture (warm)
Cucumber
Onion
Jalapeno slivers
Tomatoes
Drizzle some sauce (maybe 2 tsp or so per attempted large wrap). (Yes it will leak out some)
Carrot
Cilantro
Toasted rice

You can plate all of this as you wish but I don’t care for it as a sort of “tossed salad”. The meat should remain the star of the show. It was in these “wraps” even though you can barely see it in the picture.

You can web search Laab Gai and see a wide array of how people plate this. Some are confusing Larb and Laab Gai but the main difference is whether its an actual lettuce wrap, everything else is roughly the same. Some vegetables vary in some recipes.

Let me know of any typos or “stupids” I should correct!
 
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That looks absolutely delicious, I wonder how that would be in a rice paper wrap. We love all the ingredients, very nicely done.
Al
 
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Laab is one of my favorites. I was a 2x "head chef" (if asian kitchens had one) once for thai food.
our recipe was:
1.sautee ground meat (mabye 8oz) in oil in wok, when done add a splash of totole brand chicken soup base broth (has the disodium gyanulate, disodium inosinate, and msg)

add ingredients to cooked meat:
half lime
big TB fish sauce, (redboat is great)
2 TB ground toasted rice, (the consistency of grit)
1/2 ts MSG,
thai chili flake to taste
1 ts shredded kaffir lime leaf
2 ts lemongrass
small handful cilantro/green onion mix
small handful mint leaf
small handful bean sprout

(typically you add red onion slivers, not green onion, we didnt, for whatever reason)
and you eat it by using lettuce to scoop a mound, as if the lettuce is a utensil. goes good with sticky rice.
 
Thanks all. Definitely a lot of moving parts with this one to reach the end but most of the work's in the prep. Kinda like making tacos, not so terribly hard to make everything but assembly and eating it can be a challenge!

I found the mushroom soy when I got friendly with the owner of the Thai place I was going to regularly. I told him I was trying to make some of their dishes at home and just could not figure out the flavor profile of Pad Gratiem. He sold me a bottle of the mushroom soy right out of the kitchen. I dont taste any mushroom at all, just umami. It's almost like a soup base. It's available at the local Asian markets in town here too.

One of my other favorites is the tangy spicy Tom Yum soup.

All the coconut milk in Thai food never attracted me until I tasted a red curry my wife ordered. Mind blown. I dont like coconut, especially the meat (I do like a pina colada though), but found that coconut milk is not a strong flavor at all.

Now I make a Thai style red curry a few times a year. And now that I discovered velveting meat, chicken or pork just melts in the mouth. Maybe I'll do a Q-view on that next time I make it, with the recipe.
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That looks absolutely delicious, I wonder how that would be in a rice paper wrap. We love all the ingredients, very nicely done.
Al
Great idea, Al. I used to make spring rolls back when I was intent on replicating all the Asian stuff I like. I went through a sushi phase too, and got pretty good at it. The problem I had, and this happens to me with some other meals/foods, is by the time I sat down to eat the sushi, I had stared at it so long making it, I had no appetite for it! I sill love sushi made by others though!

I am definitely going to delve back in to spring rolls now that you mentioned it, and all these ingredients would be great, especially that sauce as a dipper. The only problem I can think of is the ground meat and chopped ingredients falling out of the spring roll when you dip it, but as I recall, that was a problem with some other spring rolls and I learned to spoon sauce in to the cut or bit end of the roll rather than turn it upside down to dip.

The spring roll idea brings another ingredient in to the mix...rice or glass noodles!

We laid all that stuff down went we went low carb for 3-4 years. We're enjoying more carbs now, but it shows in the belly area...
 
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We LOVE Thai flavors in our house!!!!!! Larb is a fav of mine as well and that presentation looks fantastic!
 
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Nice!
Love Thai food

Have a recipe for Gra Pow?
I dont, but you got my attention. I'll have to look in to it and see how it might apply to my general "Thai" stir fry sauce I developed for Pad Gratiem. I'm usually using chicken or pork for stir fries but I'm interested in how velveting works on strips of beef. Of course there ARE also recipes I saw in a quick web search that use ground beef for Pad Gra Pow.
 
Hmm.....Might have to find a thai restaurant and try it before I make it!

Jim
Just be sure to not ask for "Thai hot" spicy. I love spicy food and make almost everything with some kick, but Thai hot level of heat was very painful when I got a drunken noodle at a mom and pop (woman and brother actually) joint that used to be in the countryside here.

I ate it all, but it was more of challenge than enjoyment🥵
 
Just be sure to not ask for "Thai hot" spicy. I love spicy food and make almost everything with some kick, but Thai hot level of heat was very painful when I got a drunken noodle at a mom and pop (woman and brother actually) joint that used to be in the countryside here.

I ate it all, but it was more of challenge than enjoyment🥵
I went to a Thai restaurant in Syracuse about a year ago.

Ordered my meal and asked for "spicy"....

They replied "You want Thai spicy or 'white spicy'?"
 
OK folks, I have adjusted the recipe and increased the sauce by 50% more. We had the leftovers last night and we needed a little extra lime juice because there could have been more sauce for servings 3 and 4 of this 4 serving recipe (for a dinner meal).

This is how I will make this in the future, as a "Laab" not "Larb". Lettuce "ribs" from romaine or other hearty lettuce would be better for "Larb", but my old notes say it was a pain to eat that way. The meat mixture is crumbly and can fall away when you bite and the sauce is thin and can run down your arm!...or elsewhere.

We ate this with a larger than teaspoon spoon and ate the lettuce along with spoonfuls of the Laab. The lettuce also gives you something to "influence" the Laab on to the spoon. Used regular fresh basil right off the plant this time because I was out of cilantro. Delicious. The refined recipe that will go in my book follows.
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Laab Gai-This is Thai adjacent. Not perfectly traditional.

4-servings

Pans-10” non-stick skillet and whatever you use to make rice.

Make a batch of rice (whatever rice you like, but I would not use brown or wild for this). Keep at room temp while making the rest of this meal.

Make toasted rice topper:

In the skillet, dry, ¼ cup uncooked rice, med-high. Roast the rice, stirring and shaking here and there until the rice is toasted brown, being careful not to burn. Start lowering the temp as it gets brown to guard against burning.

Let the rice cool and put in a spice grinder and grind to not quite a true powder. You don’t want dust or too coarse.

Sauce: Use sauce for cooking liquid and for topping:

2 cup Pyrex measuring cup
Makes about a cup and a half

Juice of 3 limes (about 6 tbls or 3/8 cup)
1 tbl tsp brown sugar or other sweetener to taste
1.5 tbl low-sodium soy sauce
1.5 tbl Thai mushroom soy sauce (this stuff is fantastic)
3 tbls rice vinegar
3 tbls Fish sauce
3 tsp Chili/garlic sauce
3-tsp Sriracha
2-tsp finely grated ginger

*Add the sugar or sugar substitute to the lemon juice and microwave 20-30 seconds to warm so the sugar will dissolve. Whisk until the sugar is dissolved, then whisk in the rest of the sauce ingredients.

Meat mixture:

1 lb. of ground meat (chicken, turkey or pork. Chicken is traditional but I like pork better)
Peanut oil as needed for cooking. (Chicken or turkey will require oil, most ground pork wont)
Lots of minced fresh ginger (you almost can’t overdo it)
lots of garlic, minced
½ cup or 75 grams chopped onions
*Green onion tops or chives, chopped (optional)
One large (30-40 grams) jalapeno or other pepper of choice
½ cup (about 50 grams) handful chopped mushrooms (optional)
½ cup cooked rice (this helps the sauce “stick” better)
Plenty of cilantro, plucked from the stems (optional for those that don’t like it. Basil, Thai basil and mint are options)
Coarse black pepper.
Red pepper flakes (be careful if your chopped pepper is already hot)

In the 10” non-stick skillet, sauté the onion and pepper in peanut oil until somewhat softened, (add the fresh mushrooms about halfway through if using) toss in the garlic and remove from heat, stirring, about 30 seconds. Remove from skillet.

Brown the meat, eventually breaking it down to a fairly fine texture after draining if using pork. If using pork you will need to drain the fat. Do this before the meat is fully browned/cooked. If using chicken or turkey you will need some oil. Peanut oil is what I use for “Asian”.

Add the meat back to the pan if having drained, and chop it up well, quickly. You don’t want large chunks remaining. Add the ginger, black and red pepper. Cook for a few minutes to finish the meat and release the flavors of the ginger and peppers.

Add the cooked onion, pepper, garlic mixture and break up about a half cup of rice over the skillet and mix well with the meat mixture.

Add a good amount of sauce but remember to reserve some for topping. Taste and adjust. About ¾ cup is available and still leave plenty for topping. The salt adverse may decide to go light.

Cook until the sauce is cooked off/absorbed. Turn off heat and leave pan on the warm eye (if electric). You want this to be “Goldilocks warm” for serving.

While cooking the above, begin your mis en place of the toppings.

Toppings, etc.:

*Use your head as to how much based on how many servings you are serving. Only a palmful of each of the chopped vegetables is needed for topping each serving.

Large lettuce leaves. Any size for eating with fingers.
Cooked rice.
Cucumber, peeled, cut in half and seeded. Slice into slivered half-moons.
Thinly sliced then rough chopped sweet onion, or
Green onions, white parts bias cut (optional)
Jalapeno peppers, halved, seeded and cut in to slivered half-moons.
Chopped tomatoes (good, but not traditional). Drain or blot the chopped tomatoes if they are juicy.
Halved or quartered cherry/grape tomatoes are good, no need to blot or drain those.
Shredded carrot. A mostly decorative topping.
Fresh mint, cilantro, or basil
Ground toasted rice

Spread about a 1/3 to 1/2half cup of rice in a sort of rectangle on a plate large enough to accommodate lettuce leaves for eating along with the Laab.
Add ¼ of the total meat mixture per serving over the rice, followed with:
Onion (unless using bias sliced green onion, you want those closer to the top with the tomatoes visually)
Jalapeno slivers
Cucumber slivers
Tomatoes (not traditional but works well with the dish)
Shredded carrot sprinkled for visual effect
Drizzle some sauce (a tablespoon up to 3oz should be ¼ of the roughly 12oz/3/4 cup min. remaining sauce)
*The sauce will leech out onto the plate when you have used enough. The rice helps soak it up as you eat it.
Toasted rice
Cilantro leaves evenly sprinkled over everything

Serve with lettuce leaves as finger food on the plate to eat along with the Laab.
 
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