I blew it and I admit it, so sad

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mountainhawg

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Jan 4, 2013
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Mountains of Western NC
Been grilling Boston Butts for literally decades, but as a Newbie here and learning new recipes and methods I decided to try a recipe I found that sounded interesting, complex and tasty for a smoked butt last Sunday:

  http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/...-rub-2-butts-recipes-q-view-1-sliced-2-pulled

1. I brined the 10 pound butt for 48 hours in a plastic bag, deviating from the recipe by using apple juice and apple cider vinegar along with lesser amount of water.

2. Night prior: I injected (6 shots) some apple cider, garlic salt, onion powder and pepper. Placed lots of rub on the butt and covered with plastic wrap and placed in the fridge.

3. Got up at 6 AM started the fire in my covered grill (not a true smoker) using charcoal briquet's. I used freshly cut apple wood and oak chunks for the smoke.

4. I used my grill's thermometer which has a known correction of -60 deg F and kitchen meat thermometer.    

5. When the meat thermometer reached 165 degrees I wrapped the butt in heavy duty foil and added more coals. Went into the house and accidentally fell asleep for just over an hour. Went outside and found the thermometer had pegged out! Brought the roast in, still covered and let it sit, with towels till dinner.

With the tasty smelling roast in the kitchen, we were full of anticipation. But when we went to eat, we found the meat on the butt was almost mushy and of a texture neither one of us liked. ALSO, neither my wife or I had ever used cumin before and the brine and the rub called for it. We both found it a bit over powering. (I may have used a bit too much extra).

We ended up eating only two meals from the butt and a couple of sammies, and then enough was enough. The smoke was perfect but the cumin was the most tasted of the spices and the meat texture got to my wife. A large slice (we slice not pull) being as limp as cooked spaghetti with almost the same consistency. All said and done the butt was extremely moist. 

My old method for cooking a butt was a soak for 24-48 hours in full container of store bought rub or two, a hot seasoning, a quart of vinegar and two quarts of water. Cooked butt in aluminum pan with cap on top. Baste frequently with soak juice. Eye balled when it looked done, and 99% of the time it was.  

Lessons learned:

1. Know your spices. I blew the cumin, no doubt.

2. Use a good thermometer

3. Perhaps, don't wrap at the end????? I say this because we like the meat crispy on the outside and my wife LOVES a crispy cap to munch on. I cooked the butt cap down and that started a negative on my wifes part right away.

4. When starting with new recipes from here, start with a simple one.

5. Whatever happens, don't give up! I'm already looking for another recipe to try and figure how to improve my methodology. 

Gil
 
Hey...lessons learned is the key.  I snicker when I think back on some of the stuff I did early on. Like you I cooked BBQ for YEARs that was really not bad and then started paying attention, reading, took a KCBS CBJ class, and I can now say I put out some good stuff.  A lot less stress and a lot better Q.
 
Cumin is prominent in Hispanic foods, if you still have the meat consider making some enchiladas or burritos out of it. Add some rice, beans, potatoes, etc to the tortillas, roll up, smother with enchilada sauce and cheese and throw it in the oven at 350 for about 1/2 hour.

Thanks for the info though, sharing mistakes is almost more important that sharing success since they are valuable lessons learned!
 
Thanks Bama BBQ, yes lessons learned but if someone learns anything from my mistakes, besides me, I accomplished something. My wife saw an advertisement for cooking school in the paper this evening and sarcastically mentioned it too me, THAT HURT! LOL! I will take the course from here though. 

Smoke Happens, that sounds good but the butt went to the trash after dinner tonight. Your idea is great though and would have worked. Thanks for the reply.  
 
Awwwww. I was going to say to freeze it for later. Make a chilli or stew!
 
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Just as you did, I learned really quick from cooking with Cumin.  It can be really overpowering and just a "dab" will go a really Loooooooogggg way.  I usually make 16oz's of rub at a time and 1/2 a tsp is all that I use of Cumin and that is perfect for me.
 
MHawg, I looked at the Recipe and that is a lot of Cumin for anybody that is not a Fan. I think it makes everything taste like Old El Paso Taco mix if not used sparingly. It should be noted that commercially made Chili Powder contains a fair amount of Cumin as well...JJ
 
MHawg, I looked at the Recipe and that is a lot of Cumin for anybody that is not a Fan. I think it makes everything taste like Old El Paso Taco mix if not used sparingly. It should be noted that commercially made Chili Powder contains a fair amount of Cumin as well...JJ
Thanks JJ. I learned that now that it was too much especially if I added extra. Thinking about it, I totally agree about the OEP Taco mix, LOL!.
 
We have all done it one time or another whether we want to admit it or not. Just use it as a learning experience and look forward to the next smoke. Cumin free...lol
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Gil,  I also foil mine at 160.  I keep it foiled to about 180 then pull the foil.  That gives it time to form a good bark.   You butt would have made great tacos!

I've burnt them to a crisp before.  Deep down inside theres still some good meat
 
Hi Wes,

I cooked another Thursday and used a combination of newly learned methods from here and my old way of doing a BB. I need to do a Q-View as it would be dubbed an "alternative" method of doing a BB for sure but it came out great. My wife is from N. Fl and grew up eating sliced Q so that's the way we do it so I really need a lower finishing temperature. I like pulled just as well but do the sliced (thinly done with a fillet knife) BB all the time.

We just never got past the kinda' mushy consistancy to my over cooked (too long in foil not burnt) BB. Thankfully they have been on sale here and I have picked several BB all under $10 for the freezer, so I didn't lose much, just gained experience. I also have 1/2 of a hog in the freezer, so plenty of pork in the house to experiment with.

Gil  
 
I'd like to find some BB up here for that.   Lowes Food has shoulders up here for .99 through tomorrow.  I got 4 and went back for more and they were out.  At least they were giving rain checks.    In the summer we'll buy a butt and have them slice it about 1in. thick.  Rub that thing down and throw it on the grill.  Its way better then any over priced cow ever thought about being.

I may have ask, just can't remember.  What part of the mountains you in Gil?   I'm about 20 miles north of Boone.
 
I'm between Brevard and Mills River, about 15-20 miles southwest of Asheville on the edge of the National Forest. The Boone area is quite nice, I have enjoyed my couple of trips up that way.
 
Cumin?  Comino?

Required in Mexican dishes it seems?

A little of it goes a long way for me.

A long brine with the salt and acid you had in there could go a long way to break down the butt, too?

Good luck and good smoking.
 
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