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Heard about them last year on a pepper growing site. Couldn't find them in my area but if I did i'd definitely try a sauce with them. Love the hab flavor and would suit my non heat family members. Dont know if some heat would come back from the cross but thats the chance you take. There is another "heatless" pepper-Numex Suave Orange- thats suppose to have those hab characteristics. I grow to many varieties already but if I could find them on the shelf its sauce time. Good find, thanks.