First Whole Hog!!!

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philiployd

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Dec 2, 2011
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Springfield, MO
I am needing some help smoking a whole hog.  This is an adventurous feat for an amateur.  I bought a nice reverse flow smoker.  The grate is 45" x 31".  I got a fantastic deal off of Craig's list.  Gentleman paid 3k for it a year prior and never used it one time.  I picked it up for 1.5k.




 I have a 225lb hog being delivered to the butcher on Monday Aug. 27th for a kill and chill.  It will be gutted, skinned, head and hoofs removed and hung to chill.  I will pick it up 6 days later on Sunday Sept. 2.  The plan is to fire up the smoker that night and put the hog on serve it around 2pm the following day.  Mine and my wife's birthdays are Sept. 2nd and 3rd.  We always wanted to through a party for ourselves and decided to do it and go big.  We are have invited youth groups and leaders from our church and every friend we ever knew.  Have a large pool, volley ball nets, horseshoes, lasso, cornhole, washers, etc.  We will be camping out that Sunday night with a huge bonefire and large fire pit.  Kids will be running around playing flashlight games and the men will be getting the hog going. 

My personality is one that likes the excitement of doing this and I will research like a mad man to become an expert smoker academically.  It usually works out favorably.  I love forums for these kind of projects.  Whether it is camera equipment, buying a tractor, rooting my android phone, etc., I can usually find a group of experts on a forum who are more than helpful.  So, I plan to read ferociously and post my findings and hope to be guided towards a successful outcome.  Reading previous posts, the folks wanted details.  I hope I have provided enough details to get this discussion started. 

I purchased a Maverick Wireless BBQ Thermometer Set - Maverick ET732.  This is highly recommended on this site and seems to me to be a smart way to ensure proper cooking temps and meat doneness.  This leads to two of my starting questions.  One is cooking time.  When should I start this bad boy.  By start time I mean, putting the hog in the preheated smoker to finish with time included for the hog to rest after taking it out of the smoker and pulling it apart to be served.  I plan on pulling it apart and putting it into large tin foil pans to serve it.  I plan on using SoFlaQuer's Finishing Sauce.  I also purchased Bear Paw Meat Handler Forks and Barbecue Insulated Food Gloves to help in pulling the meat apart. 
My next question is on the concept of stuffing the hog.  My understanding is the mid section of the hog will cook quicker than the front and hind quarters.  I've had people tell me they stuff the carcass with chickens and or apples.  This would give it more mass and allows it to cook more evenly.

Well, this is far as I have gotten.  As I read I will post thoughts and conclusions.  Please feel free to jump in an stop me from doing anything stupid.  
 
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Philip- That sounds like one serious undertaking.  Couple of questions for you-

1-How long is your smoker? The reason I ask is that your chamber looks kind of small to be putting a whole hog in there. You might be able to make it fit by bringing the hind legs up along side the belly.

2- Any reason you are going with a skinned hog rather than a scrapped one? Folks in the know love crispy pork skin to chew on. You may need to come up with a basting sauce to help retain moisture in the hog.

Filling the cavity with chickens will allow a different meat. Just make sure that the chickens reach the proper temp as well.

Post up lots of qview of the cook in progress and don't forget the money shots.
 
Are you sure the pig is going to be skinned. Never heard of that.... I would think they are going to remove the hair from the pig...

This is what you should be getting


Joe
 
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So, do your butchers/Slaughter houses actually scrape your hog.  I understand the concept of scraping and what it takes.  This way just seems too easy for me now.  I don't have a place to keep a live pig until the day he gets smoked or a place to keep it cold for an extended period of time.  I would definitely consider skin on if the butcher did this.  I have called three local slaughter houses and all stated they skin them and they didn't know anyone who did scrape them.   
 
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I want to see how this turns out!  What a wonderful idea a birthday party, a get togather, and a whole hog roast!  Also a new smoker.  Sharing with others is a great thing.  I admire your thoughtfulness.  I think the idea of putting chickens inside the pig sounds good.  You may have guests who would prefer meat other than pork(who dosen't like Pork?) but there is no accounting for peoples tastes.  I hope all goes well for you.  Steve
 
I've got one of those cooler.  I got most of a quartered up deer in one.  I don't know if the hog would fit though.  At this point the only way I am going to do the skin on is if I can find a facility that will kill, scrape, and chill it.  That way, I just go pick it up and prepare it for the smoker- inject, oil, rub, etc.  I will be just to busy to do it any other way.  Otherwise, I would have to pay the farmer to deliver the live hog to me on Sunday as I don't have a place to keep it.  Unload it, twenty two in the head.  Field dress it.  Boil large amounts of water.  Rig up some kind of bath tub or something, that I don't have, to scald it with water in.  Get several men to help lift it into the tub and help scrape it.  At this point, that is just too much work and an extra 3 or 4 hours I won't have.  I will also be getting thing set up for the party.  I might call around and see if another local facility does the kill, scrape and chill.  I did a happy dance when I found out the slaughter houses did a kill and chill service for $45.  One of my previous questions, would the skin get crispy in a smoker anyway?
 
Not sure if it would get crispy, but I know there is a problem with rub penetration when the skin is on.  I also got tired out just reading what it would have taken to get that pig ready to smoke.  I agree what little you paid to get it done was well worth it.  Good luck on your smoke and the happy birthday party for you and the missus!  Keep us posted on your success, I want to drool.  Steve
 
Well, I am gonna give the smoker a test run this weekend.  I picked up two cords of seasoned oak and hickory yesterday. Pretty much filled my 18ft trailer.  As the smoker has never been used, I have to cure the grate.  I assume you do it the the same way you do an iron skillet.  Spray it down with oil and turn up the heat.  I am going to do two turkeys and two pork shoulders.  I figure its a good idea to learn the character of this smoker.  

 
I bought the bottles at Sam's in a pack of 6, each holds about 2 cups.  They are larger than the normal red ketchup bottles you see on the restaurant table.  I multiplied [color= rgb(24, 24, 24)]SoFlaQuer's Finishing Sauce recipe by six and it filled three of the bottles.  I have to get more apple cider vinegar to fill the other three.  [/color]If the hog is 225lbs the hanging weight would be about 72% or 162lbs and would yield about 75% or 121.5lbs of meat.  [color= rgb(24, 24, 24)]Do you think that is enough finishing sauce for 121lb of meat?  [/color]


I plan on pulling apart the pork and putting them in the large foil pans you find at Sam's club. Then hitting them with the sauce, BAM.


Today, I am searching the site for a good bbq sauce and pork rub recipes.  I figure I might as well make these up in volume prior to the event.  

Thanks in advance.  I am really enjoying this process.  I'm excited to fire that bad boy up tonight.
 
Not sure what type of rub you are looking for. My family prefers it on the sweet side. I did a shoulder smoke a few weeks back that turned out real good. I have also used it on ribs and worked well there too. Maybe give it a shot. I would link it, but my phone will not let me.
 
I did a trial run this weekend.  I wanted to fire up the smoker and get familiar with its character before doing a whole hog.  Last night I cured it by spaying the insides and grate with vegetable oil and firing it up to about 400 degrees for an hour.  I took it down to 225 and put a pot of homemade bbq sauce on the grate to give it a smokey flavor.  I also made a batch of homemade pork rub.  I rubbed down two pork shoulders and let them sit overnight.  Got up at 5:30am this morning to fire the smoker back up and put on two 12lb turkeys and the two pork shoulders.  I sprayed the pork shoulders with apple juice to keep it from drying out.  The turkeys took about 6 hours and the pork shoulders took a little less than 12 hours.  I used [color= rgb(24, 24, 24)]SoFlaQuer's Finishing Sauce after pulling the pork apart.  We had 20 people over and they raved about both meats.  In the end we had some pork scraps and quite a bit of turkey.  I really liked [/color][color= rgb(24, 24, 24)]SoFlaQuer's Finishing Sauce, it made it juicy and added nice flavor without overpowering it.  Most people would never know you put it on, they just rave how good it is.  With all the excitement, I forgot to take pictures of the finished product.  These are just an hour into the process.[/color]


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My biggest worry is how many hours do you think it will take to smoke a 162lb skinned hog.  I want to be able to let it rest about an hour and of course pull it apart.  I plan on serving our guest around 2:00pm Monday.  
 
Filling the cavity with chickens will allow a different meat. Just make sure that the chickens reach the proper temp as well.

I kind of like this concept, I am not sure it is practical.

I've tried this idea once and as cook times for both are different and all the fat drips onto the chickens, what we ended up with was overcooked chickens flooded with pork fat.  Not real apetizing.  But go ahead and give it a go if you want. 

Looking forward to the q-view and seeing the results.  Good luck.
 
I'm now thinking I might have the butcher butterfly the hog. I'm glad you replied as it affirms my decision.

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Well, my hog fell through.  The farmer took the animal to the butcher who weighed it and it came to 290lbs.  Just way to big.  I was pushing it at 225lbs.  The farmer was real nice and there were no hard feelings.  So, now I think I am going with pork butts from Sam's Club.  I can get them by the case for $1.28/lbs.  Unfortunately, I had a good deal on the hog at $0.70/lb, if my calculations are right.  That would be under a $1.00 a pound hanging weight.  The pork butts will be easier and I will have a higher chance of a good product in the end.  My last pork butts took about 12 hours.  If I stuff the pork butts side by side on the grate, I assume that will take a bit longer.  I am serving at two, I'm thinking of putting them on a 6:00pm and if they are not done by 6:00am I have plenty of time to continue the process.

If they are done by 6:00am and I'm serving a 2:00pm.  Do you think it would be ok to pull the pork and put the meat into the foil pans and cover them with aluminum foil and place them back into the smoker to keep it warm?
 
Sounds like a good plan. You are fine holding the meat that long. Just make sure you keep it over 140. I would target a 140-150 range.

This is the rub I use for my butts and shoulders. I get a very nice bark and is is not too salty. I would try not to pack the smoker too tight. If you do not have good air flow it will take longer. It is a shame you don't have a second shelf, that would help spread them around a bit.

http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/125208/3-shoulder-picnic-ham-smoke-w-q-view
 
Sounds like a good plan. You are fine holding the meat that long. Just make sure you keep it over 140. I would target a 140-150 range.
This is the rub I use for my butts and shoulders. I get a very nice bark and is is not too salty. I would try not to pack the smoker too tight. If you do not have good air flow it will take longer. It is a shame you don't have a second shelf, that would help spread them around a bit.
http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/125208/3-shoulder-picnic-ham-smoke-w-q-view
Those shoulders look fantastic.  Thanks for the temperature info.  I will use that.  I plan on using a turkey fryer pot and burner to make a large batch of beans.  When the pork butts are done I would like to transfer the beans to foil pans and put them in the smoker for several hours until serving time.  
 
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