curing salt pink #1, #2, tq

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It would be nice if some one could do like a step by step on the uses of curing salt or direct us to one. I mean like what to use each on such as dry curing, long cures, bacon etc. 
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There is an old family sugar cure ham recipe that we used for years that contained salt peter and I now see that it should not have been used on side meat for bacon, but some how we all survived!

Warren
 
Thanks for the link it does a great job of explaining the curing salts. When you have never or are not use to using them it can all get very confusing. Not being a young person any more doesn't help either. You read something to day then tomorrow it's now how was that this helps a great reference.

Weather still bad out there?

In my family's old sugar cure ham recipe they used salt peter even on the side meat (bacon) which was cured for around 6 months before slicing and cooking. In their sausage recipe there was not anything but regular salt, pepper and sage used and it to was just hung in the meat house. So I guess we are just lucky to be here !!!

Warren
 
 
Thanks for the link it does a great job of explaining the curing salts. When you have never or are not use to using them it can all get very confusing. Not being a young person any more doesn't help either. You read something to day then tomorrow it's now how was that this helps a great reference.

Weather still bad out there?

In my family's old sugar cure ham recipe they used salt peter even on the side meat (bacon) which was cured for around 6 months before slicing and cooking. In their sausage recipe there was not anything but regular salt, pepper and sage used and it to was just hung in the meat house. So I guess we are just lucky to be here !!!

Warren
Warren, In my quest for more knowledge about the use of #1 Sodium Nitrite. I found an example posted on wikipedia for the toxicity level of a 144lb person, It would take 4.6g of nitrite to kill them!  

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_nitrite

This is an interesting read, Sodium Nitrite is being used for more different purposes,  then a person realises. 
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There is an old family sugar cure ham recipe that we used for years that contained salt peter and I now see that it should not have been used on side meat for bacon, but some how we all survived!
Not curing with Nitrite does not mean that botulinum will grow and produce toxin. We use it to make sure that it doesn't. If you do not use Nitrite it is like you are playing Russian Roulette with a single bullet a 99 barrel revolver. It is an odds "game". As with Russian Roulette the consequences when the odds fall against you can be catastrophic.
 
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Not curing with Nitrite does not mean that botulinum will grow and produce toxin. We use it to make sure that it doesn't. If you do not use Nitrite it is like you are playing Russian Roulette with a single bullet a 99 barrel revolver. It is an odds "game". As with Russian Roulette the consequences when the odds fall against you can be catastrophic.
Question for you Wade, You said we use it to make sure it doesn't ! 

Hypothetically a small piece of contaminated meat is introduced into the sausage or curing process. Will the Nitrite, STOP and address any possible issues from it already being contaminated, So the finished product (sausage) is still safe to eat?
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We need to be very clear here about what we mean by contamination and also the role of the nitrite in food preservation.

The predominat role for Nitrite is in the control of anaerobic spores (predominantly C. Botulinum), although it can help prevent the growth of some other bacteria - like Listeria monocytogenes. Other antibacterial methods are usually used in combination in conjunction with Nitrite to control the growth of other bacteria (increased salinity, removal of free water, increasing acidity, heat treatment, chilling/freezing or smoking). The Nitrite alone will do nothing to combat any chemical contamination (e.g Botulinum toxins) that is already present (or has been introduced to) the meat.

Nitrite/Nitrate is used to ensure the meat remains safe to eat after longer term storage or if the processing of that food results in it remaining in the temperature danger zone for expended periods.

The use of Nitrite is not a panacea and must be used in conjunction with general safe food handling practices.
Hypothetically a small piece of contaminated meat is introduced into the sausage or curing process. Will the Nitrite, STOP and address any possible issues from it already being contaminated, So the finished product (sausage) is still safe to eat?
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The answer to your specific question in the way you worded it is NO. Adding Nitrite to meat that already contains Botulinum toxins will not make it safe. Adding it to meat that contains dormant Botulinum spores will however prevent them from producing toxin for the time that the Nitrite is present.
 
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If your meat has already started the spoilage process no amount of cure will revive it. Toss it.

CURES - Cures are used in sausage products for color and flavor development as well as retarding the development of bacteria in the low temperature environment of smoked meats.

Salt and sugar both cure meat by osmosis. In addition to drawing the water from the food, they dehydrate and kill the bacteria that make food spoil. In general, though, use of the word "cure" refers to processing the meat with either sodium nitrite or sodium nitrate.

The primary and most important reason to use cures is to prevent BOTULISM POISONING (Food poisoning). It is very important that any kind of meat or sausage that will be cooked and smoked at low temperature be cured. To trigger botulism poisoning, the requirements are quite simple - lack of oxygen, the presence of moisture, and temperatures in range of 40-140° F. When smoking meats, the heat and smoke eliminates the oxygen. The meats have moisture and are traditionally smoked and cooked in the low ranges of 90 to 185° F. As you can see, these are ideal conditions for food poisoning if you don't use cures. There are two types of commercially used cures.

Prague Powder #1

Also called Insta-Cure and Modern Cure. Cures are used to prevent meats from spoiling when being cooked or smoked at low temperatures (under 200 degrees F). This cure is 1 part sodium nitrite (6.25%) and 16 parts salt (93.75%) and are combined and crystallized to assure even distribution. As the meat temperate rises during processing, the sodium nitrite changes to nitric oxide and starts to ‘gas out’ at about 130 degrees F. After the smoking /cooking process is complete only about 10-20% of the original nitrite remains. As the product is stored and later reheated for consumption, the decline of nitrite continues. 4 ounces of Prague powder #1 is required to cure 100 lbs of meat. A more typical measurement for home use is 1 level tsp per 5 lbs of meat. Mix with cold water, then mix into meat like you would mix seasonings into meat.

Prague Powder #2

Used to dry-cure products. Prague powder #2 is a mixture of 1 part sodium nitrite, .64 parts sodium nitrate and 16 parts salt. (1 oz. of sodium nitrite with .64 oz. of sodium nitrate to each lb. of salt.) It is primarily used in dry-curing Use with products that do not require cooking, smoking, or refrigeration. This cure, which is sodium nitrate, acts like a time release, slowly breaking down into sodium nitrite, then into nitric oxide. This allows you to dry cure products that take much longer to cure. A cure with sodium nitrite would dissipate too quickly. Use 1 oz. of cure for 25 lbs. of meat or 1 level teaspoon of cure for 5 lbs. of meat when mixing with meat. When using a cure in a brine solution, follow a recipe.

BOTULISM is an often-fatal disease of the nervous system of humans and other mammals that was first recorded in Europe in 1735 and that was suspected of being associated with a German sausage. It was named after the Latin word for sausage, ''botulus.'' 

The disease is caused by neurotoxic proteins so poisonous that one-millionth of a gram of them can kill a man and one pint would be enough to kill everyone on earth. Several nations produced botulism toxins in the World War II as a potential bacteriological weapon, and they were said to have been test sprayed over a section of Canadian wilderness (reportedly killing all animals within six hours), but they were never used in combat. 

The toxin, called botulin, is produced by five known strains of a rod-shaped bacterium called Clostridium botulinum, which is common in soils worldwide and feeds on dead and decaying organic matter. The bacteria themselves are not toxic when ingested, and they are commonly consumed on fruits, vegetables and seafood. 

The botulin is produced when the bacteria reproduce under special conditions, namely a low-level or absence of oxygen and low acidity (the bacteria will not grow in a medium with a pH level above 5.4). These conditions are commonly found in many canned foods, and thus food processors and home canners take special precautions to kill the bacteria and its spores on the items destined for canning. This is commonly done by heat. 

The bacteria can also reproduce in places like stagnant swamps and have been linked to mass deaths of waterfowl. Once consumed, botulin is absorbed slowly by the intestines and goes into the bloodstream. From there it moves quickly to attack the nervous system, causing paralysis that begins to exhibit itself in anywhere from 12 to 36 hours. The symptoms can include vomiting, nausea, blurred vision and difficulty in swallowing. 

What happens in the nervous system is that the botulin inhibits the body's production of acetylcholine, the chemical that produces a bridge across synapses, where nerve cell axons and dendrites connect with each other
 
Whilst Botulism poisoning is very serious and the Botulinum spores are found all around us we need to put this into some form of perspective. According to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) (2016) there are only about 145 cases of botulism poisoning reported each year in the USA and of these around 15% are foodborne (~22 cases). 3-5 % of people with Butulinum poisoning die (~7 people) and so if this is extrapolated to only foodborne cases this suggests 1 fatality a year in the USA.

Although the fatality rate is low it is still a very nasty organism under the right conditions.  As Nepas has stated above you only need very little of the toxin to make you ill.

Going back to your hypothetical sausage. If the contamination you refer to is Botulinum toxin in sufficient quantity, then no amount of Nitrite will remove this. The toxin is destroyed however by heat and it will be rendered safe if the food is taken to a temperature of 185 F (85 C) for 5 minutes or 176 F (80 C) for 10 minutes. So depending on how you cooked your sausage would depend on whether any Botulinum toxin contamination would remain and be potentially harmful. With air dried sausage or meat that is eaten without cooking, any toxin would still be present and therefore potentially harmful.

If the contamination was just Botulinum spores then the food is not unsafe to eat providing we do not provide the spores the anaerobic environment in which to thrive. This is where the use of Nitrite is effective as it inhibits the metabolism of the spores and prevents the production of toxin. For short term protection we can use Nitrite alone, however over time this is broken down and becomes less effective. For longer term protection we also add Nitrate which is slowly broken down to form Nitrite thus maintaining protective levels.
 
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In general, though, use of the word "cure" refers to processing the meat with either sodium nitrite or sodium nitrate.
A good explanation above Nepas however I am not sure that this definition is correct. According to most definitions I have seen curing means the general preserving using predominantly salt or drying...

Oxford English Dictionary - "preserve (meat, fish, tobacco, or an animal skin) by salting, drying, or smoking."

Dictionary.com - "to prepare (meat, fish, etc.) for preservation by salting, drying, etc."

Harper Collins - "When food, tobacco, or animal skin is cured, it is dried, smoked, or salted so that it will last for a long time."

FDA - "Meat and poultry are cured by the addition of salt alone or in combination with one or more ingredients such as sodium nitrite, sugar, curing accelerators, and spices."
 
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Wade

Like the old saying goes. "To each their own"

Info is posted for folks to read. If THEY decide not to follow thats their right to process, cure, smoke, bbq or whatever.

Curing is not rocket science, Its common sense and being clean about your process. Like you i post info for folks to read.
 
Hi Nepas - I do not think that there is any disagreement and we are totally on the same page
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. Curing with Nitrite is absolutely required to ensure the safety of some of the meats we produce. It is important though that the information we provide to members, especially those new to smoking, is as accurate as possible and balanced. Unfortunately I have seen too many posts (here and elsewhere) that provide information that is (often inadvertently) biased to one extreme side of a discussion and not as accurate as it could be.
 
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Hi Nepas - I do not think that there is any disagreement and we are totally on the same page
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. Curing with Nitrite is absolutely required to ensure the safety of some of the meats we produce. It is important though that the information we provide to members, especially those new to smoking, is as accurate as possible and balanced. Unfortunately I have seen too many posts (here and elsewhere) that provide information that is (often inadvertently) biased to one extreme side of a discussion and not as accurate as it could be.
Wade i hear ya. 

But we can only hope that new members read and take into consideration some of the info. If folks decide not to use any sorts of info of modern cures, and go with just plain old time salt cure or fancy celery cure, Their choice.
 
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