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lunchmeat

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is there any advantage to smoking a pork butt bone in VS bone out ?

I have a small business and I love costco cause they sell 2 butts in a pack , but they are BONELESS

do i honestly lose anything by buying boneless? or are time temp wood choice and rub  the only thing worth worrying about ?
 
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I wouldn't think you would lose anything flavor wise if that is what you are worried about. and you might save some because instead of paying for 2lb of bone you are paying for just meat. If you are going to chop./shred/pull it then boneless would be great. you probably shorten the cook time too.

Just my thoughts,

phatbac (Aaron)
 
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I wouldn't think you would lose anything flavor wise if that is what you are worried about. and you might save some because instead of paying for 2lb of bone you are paying for just meat. If you are going to chop./shred/pull it then boneless would be great. you probably shorten the cook time too.

Just my thoughts,

phatbac (Aaron)
these are all good points, i want to save cook time and money  but do not want to sacrifice flavor 
 
If you plan on cooking the boned butt low and slow, where the shoulder blade was removed, bacteria was introduced to the center of that roast...

I would cook it at 225-250 to get the IT up to 150 ish within 4 hours....  

Now, if you split the roast, at the point where the blade was removed, salt and season it, you would probably be averting the bacteria problem and could treat the 2 halves as intact meat muscle...
 
so i was wondering does the bone in , add to the party like the emulsified Marrow from the bone , does it do anything special to the meat 
 
Here's an old thread on the topic.  http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/75496/pork-shoulder-bone-in-or-boneless

It has been a while since I bought one of the Costco two packs.  I used to buy them all the time.  I do not believe they are "enhanced," with a salt solution.  I've used them for pulled pork, sliced roasts, and buckboard bacon.  We rarely go to Costco anymore so I shop elsewhere. 

My local grocer used to sell non-enhanced, bone-in pork butts/shoulders.  I'd buy them when they were on sale for something close to Costco's price.  I never noticed a taste difference between the bone-in and boneless, non-enhanced. 
 
I have always bought bone in butts.

I always just figured the bone would add to the flavor.

No difference in pulling time, cause the bone just slides out when it's done.

Al
 
 
I have always bought bone in butts.

I always just figured the bone would add to the flavor.

No difference in pulling time, cause the bone just slides out when it's done.

Al
I agree....
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I've used the Costco boneless butts several times for 4th of July parties. They smoke up just fine. Take Dave Omak's advice and get them to 140 in the first four hours.
 
Bones in dry cooked meat have little to no impact on flavor. Look at the composition. Extremely hard and dense calcium makes up the surface. The interior is either the porus spunge like red marrow that makes blood cells or the fatty yellow marrow of femurs. While the bone surfice has tiny pores that let blood pass in and out, a relatively short burst of heat has little effect on breaking down the surface or melting the marrow and causing it to ooze into the meat. Add the fact that muscle and especially cooked muscle absorbs little in a short time. Marinades and brines take days or weeks to penetrate, what can you expect in a few minutes or hours? The bone in the center of a Butt roast will have next to zero impact on the flavor. The exception here is Fish as the bones are cartilage that do soften and slightly dissolves when the fish is cooked adding to the flavor.
Now take meat with exposed bone, ribs, cross-cut chuck roast, oxtails, and cook the meat low and slow in a solvent like water or wine and the bones begin to dissolve and the marrow melts and flavors the soup, stew or braise.
The bone in a pork butt weighs less than 10 ounces. It adds little to the weight and price. But a boneless but is a value added product. A worker has taken time and a knife to it to remove the bone and while at it often removes the fat cap reducing the weight then nets the roast. Somebody has to pay for all this labor and weight loss. On average there will be a higher price compared to an uncut butt. Since the bone falls out of a butt that is ready to pull, there is very little labor on your part and there is a savings on the cost per pound over boneless...JJ
 
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Won't bringing a boneless roast to a minimum temperature of 160° and holding it there for three minutes kill bacteria, regardless how long it takes to get there?

 
Won't bringing a boneless roast to a minimum temperature of 160° and holding it there for three minutes kill bacteria, regardless how long it takes to get there?


My thoughts as well. Pasteurization?
 
Killing bacteria is never an issue when the meat is cooked to temp...BUT...The issue is, any toxin forming bacteria like the very common Staph Aureus will be perfectly happy in the oxygen free area the bone came from in a boned,rolled and tied roast. Getting the interior up to temp, 130+, in 4-5 hours kills the bacteria before significant toxin can be generated. Additionally, unlike CBotulinum toxin that is inactivated at temps over 185, SA toxin is heat stable and no IT you cook to will stop you from getting sick. So yes Pasteurization kills but sufficient IT temps must be reached in a timely manner...JJ
 
I don't know enough about sous vide safety to comment beyond if a risk exists at low temp smoking of ground, injected and BRT meat. The risk is likely there with sous vide. I know sausage is safe to sous vide because of its size. But I would not try to sous vide a meatloaf. Additionally , USDA and SMF Guidelines are based on " risk" factors not absolutes. What may only give me or you some gas may put grandma in the hospital...JJ
 
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I don't know enough about sous vide safety to comment beyond if a risk exists at low temp smoking of ground, injected and BRT meat. The risk is likely there with sous vide. I know sausage is safe to sous vide because of its size. But I would not try to sous vide a meatloaf...JJ
Thank you for your response JJ, I appreciate your honesty.

T
 
Thank you for your response JJ, I appreciate your honesty.

T

You are welcome and yes I got some research to do with these new fangled cooking methods. This Old Dog needs to learn some new tricks...JJ
 
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