To slice or not

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oddegan

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Mar 27, 2017
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I've smoked a 5 pound pork loin that I cured for brown sugar ham lunchmeat and now I'd like to freeze most of it for later. What I'd like to know is whether I should slice before I freeze or when I thaw it out to use. I have some chicken breasts I'll be smoking Saturday for lunchmeat as well. Wondering what experiences you nice people one the forum have had.
 
Not sure If you're vac sealing, but I've had thinner slices not hold up well. Especially chicken or turkey. I say try sliced this batch and adjust on future ones.
 
I always slice before vac sealing, but I also add some juice to the meat. Put it in the freezer for a couple of hours then vac pack it, so the juice is frozen before I put it in the vac sealer.
Al
 
I will be vac packing and I was worried about the juice coming out. I wouldn't have thought of freezing in the juice before sealing. Now I have a plan. I'll start thick with the chicken and experiment thinner as I make batches. Thanks for the advice.
 
I was told by a well respected butcher once that you want to avoid cutting the meat until you need to. This applies to cutting a steak off a ribeye roast, or cutting cooked meat to eat like with fajitas, or pork loin like you have in question.

He said that the juices (and flavor) stay in the whole cut much better than the slices.
I have found this to be true especially with cuts meat prone to drying up like pork loin and chicken breast.
Some do an experiment where you grill a whole chicken breast vs a chicken breast you cut into strips. I bet the sliced whole breast taste better then the pre-sliced and cooked breast strips :)

I think you will be fine either way you go but I would lean towards vac sealing and then slicing at a later date.

The exception I have found to this rule is with brisket and ribs. I mean c'mon, that stuff doesn't hang around long enough for me to keep in whole chunks and then freeze to be sliced later. For me and most people I know you slice that stuff all up, refrigerate the leftovers and then magically within a day or two the leftovers have disappeared! :D

Again go with either approach or heck do both approaches and see what works best for you :)
 
Hmmm... Information overload. Well I guess I will be doing some tests. I will try and post results. Again thank you everyone for all the advice.
 
I've done it both ways and now prefer slicing before freezing. As others have said, they key is to leave the juices in the sliced meat, freeze it so the juice doesn't come out during the vacuum process, and then vacuum.

I never noticed much (if any) difference in taste, and that is the only potential advantage of not slicing before freezing. But while not slicing doesn't buy you much, there are quite a few advantages of slicing before you vacuum pack:

1. You only have to clean up the slicer one time. Even though my Chef's Choice 615 is a simple slicer, it still takes quite awhile to clean. If I have to haul it out for each leftoever meal, that is a LOT of extra work. This takes much of the fun out of doing leftovers because, as I describe in #2 below, pre-sliced leftover meals are about as simple a meal as you can get.

2. Your leftover meals become ridiculously simple: just heat and serve. I stick the Foodsaver vacuum pack containing the leftovers into some hot water on my induction cooker. The cooker has a temperature regulator. For meat that should be kept rare, I set the induction cooker to 130-140. For meat that was pulled, I heat the water hotter. Those of you with sous vide, you should use that for reheating. I have a homemade sous vide made from my crock pot that takes a few minutes to set up, so my induction cooktop is easier to set up. The temp for reheating is usually not very critical.

3. While preparing each vacuum bag, it is MUCH easier to divide up the meat evenly if you slice it first. While I certainly do not obsess over portion control, it is nice to divide the leftovers into something that is roughly what you want to consume. Everyone is different, but my wife and I each eat about the same amount (actually she eats a LOT more than I do), and I have found that five ounces of cooked meat makes a very good dinner portion for each of us. So, what I do is take the entire leftover amount, and stick it on a scale. I then take whatever reading I get, and do the math to find out what number of portions will give me something close to ten ounces per bag, or a little more.

Here's the problem: if the meat is not sliced, I have to guess, just by looking at the slab of meat, where to cut. Unfortunately, the meat is usually tapered and therefore not easy to cut equally just by looking at it. I do my best, make my cut, stick it on the scale, but then either have to trim a little or add a little from the main hunk of meat. I get close, but it takes time. However, if I first slice it, I just keep adding slices until I get to my five ounce (or whatever the math tells me I need to weigh) target. Simple. Easy. Exact. Fast.
 
I ended up slicing up half and leaving the other half to slice later. I received my new Chefs Choice 615 yesterday and really wanted to try it. Very nice machine but without a doubt the most terrifying thing in my kitchen. I'm a machinist by trade and use lathes and mills everyday but the slicer is the machine I have the most respect for. Get comfortable and careless around that and you WILL go to the ER. Works like a dream.
 
I ended up slicing up half and leaving the other half to slice later. I received my new Chefs Choice 615 yesterday and really wanted to try it. Very nice machine but without a doubt the most terrifying thing in my kitchen. I'm a machinist by trade and use lathes and mills everyday but the slicer is the machine I have the most respect for. Get comfortable and careless around that and you WILL go to the ER. Works like a dream.
As I mentioned, I too have the 615. Given all the other equipment you use, you obviously have respect for machine tools that cut. However, as such things go, I think the 615 is relatively safe, although you do need to develope some procedures for cleaning it that make sure you don't do something stupid while the blade is fully exposed.

While operating, you are pretty well protected from the blade, although I guess if you really worked at it, you could take a slice off the end of your finger. However, compared to my various saws, where entire fingers can disappear, the damage here would be pretty minor.

For me, the biggest hazard in my kitchen is the mandolin. You are not protected in any way from the blade, and I know lots of people who have added quite a bit of human flesh to their meals.
 
I agree it is pretty safe. Loved the magnets holding the blade. I did tell my accident prone wife that she should never touch it.
the biggest hazard in my kitchen is the mandolin.
This made me smile though I shouldn't. I don't have a mandolin but my dad has quite a few scars accumulated over many saur kraut seasons and he would totally appreciate you words of caution.
 
I agree it is pretty safe. Loved the magnets holding the blade. I did tell my accident prone wife that she should never touch it.
Magnets holding the blade?? I don't have anything like that on mine. I wonder what they do?

This made me smile though I shouldn't. I don't have a mandolin but my dad has quite a few scars accumulated over many saur kraut seasons and he would totally appreciate you words of caution.
Get your dad some cutting gloves for his birthday:

Epica Cut Resistant Gloves with CE Level 5 Protection

They're also great for shucking oysters, grating cheese, and other kitchen chores that seem to end up involving bandages.
 
The mags hold it so it can't accidentally get knock off. We have some tooling at the shop like that. His mandolin days are over but my next purchase will be the gloves. Thanks for the link.
 
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