They finally got things Right!

[radioguy]

I am talking about getting the Food Pyramid Right!

The new guidelines recommend adults consume 1.2 to 1.6 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight per day. This is a substantial increase compared with the old baseline recommendation of roughly 0.8 grams per kilogram.



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WHAT THEY ARE SAYING: Trump Administration Puts Real Food First in Dietary Guidelines

The Trump Administration’s updated Dietary Guidelines represent the most significant reset of federal nutrition policy in decades. By prioritizing real

www.whitehouse.gov

 

[chopsaw]

Fake news .

 

[voyager 663rd]

That's so you can save money.

Eat more meat=extra fat will lead to atherosclerosis in the arteries = leads to coronary artery disease=shorter hospital stay because the resulting heart attack will kill you sooner and your family will save money on that same hospital stay because you couldn't afford the insurance premiums and had to pay out of pocket.

win-win all round

 

[Abigail4476]

December 2023 - I stopped eating processed sugar completely and lowered my calorie intake. I started dropping weight and my blood pressure improved. I sort of defaulted toward eating more protein and fat and lower carbs, and found that I really didn't have to count calories when doing that.

Ended up dropping over 60 lbs, blood pressure is now perfect (no meds required, bp runs a little low actually), and I've never felt better. Pretty easy to sustain the eating habits, too.

Biggest lie ever, IMO, is that people should be eating lots of grains/carbs, and that fat is bad for you. (Depends on the fat/oil, and whether you eat it in combination with sugar or refined carbs)

 

[Brokenhandle]

That's so you can save money.

Eat more meat=extra fat will lead to atherosclerosis in the arteries = leads to coronary artery disease=shorter hospital stay because the resulting heart attack will kill you sooner and your family will save money on that same hospital stay because you couldn't afford the insurance premiums and had to pay out of pocket.

win-win all round

If that was the case then why are people that are on the keto diet losing weight, dropping their cholesterol levels and are all around feeling better? At least three members on here that I know of are on keto, noboundaries , jcam222 , and indaswamp have had great success at it. Pretty sure none of us are getting out of this life alive, and that's not fake news!

Ryan

 

[mark thompson]

If that was the case then why are people that are on the keto diet losing weight, dropping their cholesterol levels and are all around feeling better? At least three members on here that I know of are on keto, noboundaries , jcam222 , and indaswamp have had great success at it. Pretty sure none of us are getting out of this life alive, and that's not fake news!

Ryan

Keto here also. About 2 years now. Down 70 pounds. Kinda fell off the wagon over the holidays and it is amazing how much worse your body feels with all the carbs. Still have to have french fries once in a while but then right back on the keto.

 

[chef k-dude]

There is a reason a doctor and lawyer's profession is called "a practice".

Some people will dismiss this inverted pyramid just because of what time in our history this has come. Some people will stay latched on to old dietary stuff they believe, fed to them by media over the years and "medical associations"...of which at one point told us eggs and avocados are killing us, saturated fat was killing us, so we HAD to shift to trans-fats...which were killing us until the science proved it, then we were in a real quandary...I mean we couldn't eat animal fats OR trans fats...but they had the solution...seed oils!...but wait...

I never looked to the food pyramid for my diet anyway. It's more a tool for health class in school. A high protien, low carb, natural fats diet works for a lot of people. I dont really even believe the cholesterol hoopla either. I know it exists, I just dont know that saturated fats necessarily cause calcification, and can believe the drugs reduce the number, but do they actually prolong life? Or is it just a number to be reached as indicated by medical associations, most of which get major funding from pharmaceutical companies. The FDA and CDC are not immune to corporate and political pressure either.

I've watched the medical field operate for decades and its probably worse than ever today. I take my doctor's instructions as informed advice. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they dont know what to do you fix what ails you, so they throw drugs at it. No doubt there are some miracles out there though, especially regarding surgery.

 

[chopsaw]

Eating more protein is good advice for sure . Been doing it my whole life . Just never needed to be told to do it .

 

[Abigail4476]

Eating more protein is good advice for sure . Been doing it my whole life . Just never needed to be told to do it .

It is a little crazy how people depend on government agencies to tell them what's best. Some people depend on their recommendations like they're law and gospel, when they're often severely outdated/behind the science, and completely lacking in common sense. (+ ripe for corruption)

 

[indaswamp]

That's so you can save money.

Eat more meat=extra fat will lead to atherosclerosis in the arteries = leads to coronary artery disease=shorter hospital stay because the resulting heart attack will kill you sooner and your family will save money on that same hospital stay because you couldn't afford the insurance premiums and had to pay out of pocket.

win-win all round

Extra saturated fat is only a problem IF you eat a high carb diet. And then, it only slightly increases the risks. This was the reason for the push to highly processed seed oils (unsaturated fats) which in a few cherry-picked studies do lower cholesterol slightly. But When you finally understand the science, total cholesterol is not a problem, and not the risk factor for heart disease they once thought it was. It is only the oxidized LDL that is bad. And how is LDL oxidized? Well, one major pathway is through glycation. Due to high blood glucose levels....from...you guessed it, a high carb. diet.

Bottom line here is that removing carbs. (less than 50 grams net carbs. per day) and eating high natural healthy fat puts your body into fat burning mode. So when you run out of dietary fats to fuel the body, with insulin low, the body liberates stored body fat for fuel. This is now proven science. (see Dr, Ben Bikman's work, among others)

It is seed oils and a high carb diet that is bad. This is the reason for the total flip in the new dietary guidelines prioritizing healthy meats (up from 0.8g/kg. to 1.2-1.6g/kg body weight) Increased intake of healthy saturated fats, and a severe reduction in Carb intake.


One other point to note here: you want to lower your triglycerides? Well don't eat Carbs.... triglycerides are made in the liver FROM CARBOHYDRATES to convert carbs. into a storage form of fuel. Most people that lower dietary carbs. and increase healthy fat intake see HDL rise, Triglycerides plummet (because the cells are now burning fat for fuel and using the triglycerides that are circulating in the body.) So total blood levels DROP.

 

[indaswamp]

...dropping their cholesterol levels ...

On keto, cholesterol tends to rise. Cholesterol is necessary because blood is high in water, and well, oil (fat) and water do not mix. So the fat that you eat needs a vehicle to carry it in the body (in the blood) That vehicle is HDL. So naturally when you start eating more healthy fats, your HDL number will rise....the gut is making more to carry the higher intake of healthy fats. And since you are now in fat burning mode- your triglycerides drop because your cells are absorbing them to fuel the cells-instead of carbohydrates. As long as insulin is high, the body will burn the glucose being forced into the cells by insulin, and will not burn fat. it will get sent to storage in fat cells. This will reverse when insulin is low.

Also, LDL tends to rise when people are on KETO. This is not a problem as long as other risk factors do not make more oxidized LDL. If the LDL stays healthy, no problem. Cigarette smoking is one of the worst things you can do if you are concerned about your LDL because the toxic chemicals in cigarette smoke highly oxidize LDL in the blood. The body does have a way to clean up this oxidized LDL particles. a cell of the immune system, the Macrophages go around and gobble up these oxidized LDL particles to remove them. and when Atherosclerosis occurs, it is these macrophages that try to form a patch repair over the tear in the artery. They then get entombed in the plaque. So this is how the ill-informed war on LDL got started, but It is like blaming the firemen for the fire when they just showed up to do their job. Also, high blood glucose 250 and above......that is like razors coursing through your veins doing massive damage to the arteries, heart, kidneys....all organs really. severely weakens the artery walls making a tear more likely...

Long winded post, sorry.....and there is a lot of nuance...too deep to get into here.....

 

[G8trwood]

Portion size. I blame 7/11, it all started with the Big Gulp ;). And maybe a Wendy’s triple.

 

[ifitsdeadsmokeit]

indaswamp hit the nail right on the head with a 12 lb sledge hammer.

 

[Brokenhandle]

Don't know all the science behind it all, just know a few on here on doing great on it. Definitely don't follow my eating habits by any means... not that I eat poorly, just timing of when I eat isn't always good depending on time of the year. Especially spring planting and fall harvest.

Ryan

 

[Gonna Smoke]

Me too. I get up real early to go fishing and never eat. Then I come home early afternoon starving...