Summer Sausage #1 vs #2 question

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I'm getting ready to make my first batch of summer sausage. After fermentation (F-LC), I'll be smoking to an internal 143 degrees F. Then I plan to put it in my curing chamber for however many weeks it takes to get to 40% (probably more than 3 weeks).

My gut tells me that, in spite of using #1 in most things that are going to be cooked fully, I'd want to use #2 because of the long drying time in the chamber.

Feedback would be appreciated! Thanks.
 
I was going to ferment my first batch because I thought you had to but you don't have to ferment it at all. You just need to cure it with curing salt.
 
CURES - Cures are used in sausage products for color and flavor development as well as retarding the development of bacteria in the low temperature environment of smoked meats.

Salt and sugar both cure meat by osmosis. In addition to drawing the water from the food, they dehydrate and kill the bacteria that make food spoil. In general, though, use of the word "cure" refers to processing the meat with either sodium nitrite or sodium nitrate.
The primary and most important reason to use cures is to prevent BOTULISM POISONING (Food poisoning). It is very important that any kind of meat or sausage that will be cooked and smoked at low temperature be cured.
To trigger botulism poisoning, the requirements are quite simple - lack of oxygen, the presence of moisture, and temperatures in range of 40-140° F. When smoking meats, the heat and smoke eliminates the oxygen. The meats have moisture and are traditionally smoked and cooked in the low ranges of 90 to 185° F. As you can see, these are ideal conditions for food poisoning if you don't use cures. There are two types of commercially used cures.

Prague Powder #1
Also called Insta-Cure and Modern Cure. Cures are used to prevent meats from spoiling when being cooked or smoked at low temperatures (under 200 degrees F). This cure is 1 part sodium nitrite (6.25%) and 16 parts salt (93.75%) and are combined and crystallized to assure even distribution. As the meat temperate rises during processing, the sodium nitrite changes to nitric oxide and starts to ‘gas out’ at about 130 degrees F. After the smoking /cooking process is complete only about 10-20% of the original nitrite remains. As the product is stored and later reheated for consumption, the decline of nitrite continues. 4 ounces of Prague powder #1 is required to cure 100 lbs of meat. A more typical measurement for home use is 1 level tsp per 5 lbs of meat. Mix with cold water, then mix into meat like you would mix seasonings into meat.

Prague Powder #2
Used to dry-cure products. Prague powder #2 is a mixture of 1 part sodium nitrite, .64 parts sodium nitrate and 16 parts salt. (1 oz. of sodium nitrite with .64 oz. of sodium nitrate to each lb. of salt.) It is primarily used in dry-curing Use with products that do not require cooking, smoking, or refrigeration. This cure, which is sodium nitrate, acts like a time release, slowly breaking down into sodium nitrite, then into nitric oxide. This allows you to dry cure products that take much longer to cure. A cure with sodium nitrite would dissipate too quickly. Use 1 oz. of cure for 25 lbs. of meat or 1 level teaspoon of cure for 5 lbs. of meat when mixing with meat. When using a cure in a brine solution, follow a recipe.
 
I can read the back of the package too :) That doesn't really answer my question.
 
I'm getting ready to make my first batch of summer sausage. After fermentation (F-LC), I'll be smoking to an internal 143 degrees F. Then I plan to put it in my curing chamber for however many weeks it takes to get to 40% (probably more than 3 weeks).

My gut tells me that, in spite of using #1 in most things that are going to be cooked fully, I'd want to use #2 because of the long drying time in the chamber.

Feedback would be appreciated! Thanks.
Typically we use cure #1 (nitrite) for any project completed within about 30 days, and cure #2 (nitrite and nitrate) for projects that take longer than 30 days to complete.

However you need to realize that nitrate cannot cure meat directly. It needs to react with bacteria and be converted from nitrate into nitrite. Only bacteria can do this. Since you are thermally processing your sausage you will have killed all the bacteria necessary to convert the nitrate into nitrite.

For this reason you should only use cure #1 in this case.
 
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I would use cure 1 with f-lc, 95-100* semi dry fermented around 4 weeks time.

Cure 2 for a slow dry between 75-80* in 4-8 weeks
(with proper process)
 
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Great, thanks guys, #1 it is.
 
I'm thinking 4.6-4.7.
 
I'm thinking 4.6-4.7.
Not sure of your recipe or if you have a bag mix? But with F-LC you will need 0.5 to 0.6% dextrose to hit that PH number. All sugars should be considered though when fermenting. You can hit your desired PH fairly close just by controlling the amount of sugars/dextrose.
 
I was doing 0.8% Dextrose, but I could back that off.

Salt2.30%
Cure #10.25%
Dextrose0.80%
Black Pepper0.26%
Coriander0.22%
Whole Mustard Seeds0.39%
Allspice0.17%
Garlic Powder0.17%
High Temp Cheese (10-20%)10.00%
 
I was doing 0.8% Dextrose, but I could back that off.

Salt2.30%
Cure #10.25%
Dextrose0.80%
Black Pepper0.26%
Coriander0.22%
Whole Mustard Seeds0.39%
Allspice0.17%
Garlic Powder0.17%
High Temp Cheese (10-20%)10.00%
Personally I would go no more than 0.6% dextrose but if you have a PH tester then you can stop fermentation anytime the reading is correct with the cooking process. Im not sure about the fermentable sugars in cheeses, but I’m sure there are some. To much fermentable sugar will create a very sour taste if left to ferment long enough.
 
Personally I would go no more than 0.6% dextrose but if you have a PH tester then you can stop fermentation anytime the reading is correct with the cooking process. Im not sure about the fermentable sugars in cheeses, but I’m sure there are some. To much fermentable sugar will create a very sour taste if left to ferment long enough.
Most cheese has already been fermented and thus it is slightly acidic already. Some of that acid could leach into the meat. But I am talking about real cheese.....not sure about high temp. cheese which is a processed cheese product.
 
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Most cheese has already been fermented and thus it is slightly acidic already. Some of that acid could leach into the meat. But I am talking about real cheese.....not sure about high temp. cheese which is a processed cheese product.
Thank you for clarifying that Inda.
 
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