Shotguns! Can We Chat?!

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I'll echo the Rem 870 and the Moss 500. Also agree with the older 870's. I have a couple of them, along with a Moss 500 and a couple of old Stevens side by sides. I never took semi-autos for some reason. One thing that hasn't be mentioned is the weight of the shotgun and the amount of felt recoil. As with handguns and rifles, the lighter they are the more felt recoil. The more they weigh the less recoil. A good place to find something that will fit your son is at Cabela's, if there is one close to you. They have a gun library that he can test out a number of shotguns to find with just the right fit. I haven't bought a shotgun in about 20 years or so, so I'm not real up to date on the new stuff. I have no problem with buying older guns, though, as I know them pretty well. In fact, I have a 75 year old Win Mod 95 that I still hunt with today. My wife and son both shot their deer with it this year. This is a rifle of course but I have an old Stevens that is older than me in 12 gauge that I still hunt with.
 
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I'll echo the Rem 870 and the Moss 500. Also agree with the older 870's. I have a couple of them, along with a Moss 500 and a couple of old Stevens side by sides. I never took semi-autos for some reason. One thing that hasn't be mentioned is the weight of the shotgun and the amount of felt recoil. As with handguns and rifles, the lighter they are the more felt recoil. The more they weigh the less recoil. A good place to find something that will fit your son is at Cabela's, if there is one close to you. They have a gun library that he can test out a number of shotguns to find with just the right fit. I haven't bought a shotgun in about 20 years or so, so I'm not real up to date on the new stuff. I have no problem with buying older guns, though, as I know them pretty well. In fact, I have a 75 year old Win Mod 95 that I still hunt with today. My wife and son both shot their deer with it this year. This is a rifle of course but I have an old Stevens that is older than me in 12 gauge that I still hunt with.

This is a great point I forgot to mention. I'm a fan of having the correct weight for the uses. Sure walking for upland a lighter gun is nice but with that you do get the increases recoil which depending on the person you may or may not notice when shooting at game.
 
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When I was in Combat Arms school in the AF the Rem 870 Wingmaster was one of the weapons we were taught.Unfortunately after becoming an instructor I never had the opportunity to teach it or even come across it again.
 
I guess I'm just out of touch when it comes to shotguns. I still have the Montgomery Wards Western Fields 16 ga my dad purchased back in the late 60's. I haven't shot it in years but the recoil isn't much. Dad used it for quail hunting and I later used it to plink clay disk with my buddies in Highschool. I'm guessing he paid around $100 for it new, maybe less (Money was tight back then!) I would assume it's still worth around that same price.
 
Hey all, so just to be clear and kinda shamed to say… but I don’t know much about shotguns now days. I have used them and broke them down after hunting years ago (single shot .410 which I loved but was taken… have shot 20 and 12 gauge) also taken a few game birds (grouse and geese)… but I have never really gotten into bird and/or short range big game hunting. I have always for the most part hunting wise been into big game hunting with rifles.

I have been into muzz hunting and enjoy that.

But recently my 16 year old son has got the hunting fever on any and every game animal. Been looking at 20 gauge shotguns as at his age… want him something he can shoot repeatedly and not hurt too much… I know some 12 gauges can kick pretty good. He wants to get into bird and waterfowl hunting… our season is coming fast.

I am asking for your opinion on what 20 gauge to literally pull the trigger on?! This will be used for grouse, duck, geese, and I’d like one too that can also do short range big game hunting… but that’s not a problem if not.

I have done a ton of research and have 3 in mind… one mainly… but I would like to hear what some of your thoughts and experiences are with what you hunt with and what you would recommend. ( I don’t want to sway any opinions with the 3 I’ve been reading about).

These shotguns will be put thru their paces… so need a reliable, tough and effective one for sure. The weather can be not so pretty here especially during the winter months.

Let me note, we will be buying 2 shotguns. My son at his age is wanting to go hunting and hang out with his old man… I am all for going and hunting… and supporting his additional hunting interests. I feel I am never too old to learn a bit more and he’s a great young man. And with all the negativity in this world… if hunting is his passion… I’ll support 💯

Thanks for sticking with me and any suggestions are welcome!

Ha, I do have to share… he and his buddy are talking about getting into trapping as well… but that’s another subject! 🤷🏼‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤪
Wow lots of good info in this thread. I guess I'll drop my 2 cents.
1st, I don't do a ton of shotgun hunting. Basically just opening day of dove season these days.

However, I am setup so that I could hunt dove, duck, and deer/hogs with buckshot or slug (not sabots though).

I only own one 20ga I inherited last year, but if a brand/model of shotgun works well for 12ga then I think it would do so for 20ga but definitely double check when buying.

Shotgun weight will definitely help with recoil as it does with any firearm so beefier overall shotgun in either gauge will have less felt recoil, just figure out how much walking you may be doing and if the weight of the shotgun will affect you. I do little walking when hunting with mine so weight is not an issue.

Ease of use. I prefer pump shotguns over semi auto because I like it to work, I like it to be easy, and I don't like the idea of a jam wrecking my hunt or bagging game. Yes semi auto shoguns will jam on you, probably brand/model combos than others. I prefer the reliability of a pump.

Next, what game are you after? It sounds like any and all. This would have me going with the biggest chamber I could get based on my area and game.
I don't mind 3.5 inch shells if going after deer or pigs, I like the option of more buckshot to throw at them.
I most often shoot 2 3/4 inch shells since I'm after dove most of the time.

My main shotgun is a 12ga Benelli Nova I got for a steal many many years ago because it was missing a mag spring. It runs shells all the way up to 3.5 inch so I have 1 shotgun that can do dove, duck, deer, and hogs. Basically I can do any hunting I want for my area. If I bought a rifled barrel then I could do sabot slugs so I'm in good shape for flexibility. Also, the quality and function of this shogun is flawless.

So I'm definitely one for getting the tool that best fits your needs in this case, and then just getting a well known reliable and trusted brand/model.

I also own a 12ga Mossberg Maverick 88 as my cheapo toss around, extra/backup shotgun. There is a major difference in feel between it and the beefier Benelli. I've had zero issues with the Maverick but it's purpose is a 2nd shotgun for others to use when dove hunting and skeet shooting, or if I need it in a pinch and I didn't have to break the bank to get it.

My 20ga is Remington 870 likely from the early 80's or older. I took it out this past September on opening day of dove season but didn't get a single dove in range. I fixed a magazine spring issue, cleaned it up, and tested function & firing and it is good to go now. Just haven't bagged any game.

If you want a 20ga and have good reason for it then go for it. Just get the best fit for your function that you can.
Personally, I would recommend going for a 12ga that checks the boxes because it is more flexible, can have less recoil due to being bigger, and AMMO is cheaper and more readily available.

AMMO availability and price is also a real thing these days and will be from now on.

Last note, I think a pump action would fair way better for you since you mention the shotguns needing to handle some action. A shotgun that jams and/or cannot always function when you need is no better than carrying a stick with you when it comes to firing at things lol.

I hope some of this may help :D
 
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How long have you had that Ithaca? Does it have Scroll engraving on it? They went out of business a long time ago. I love my 37 dear slayer in 12. It's fun to slam fire when we are just out plenking.
They have risen from the ashes.
 
I would assume it's still worth around that same price.
You never know . Is it a pump ? It depends on who made it , and what grade it is .
I would bet you're not going to get rid of it , but it's nice to know what you have .
 
I work on guns as a side gig, the Browning BPS is a smooth shooter, but they are right up there with the most difficult guns to break down and reassemble made, for that reason alone I'd stay away from them. I was taught to break down and clean my guns after every use, and I still do it that way, unless I'm hunting or shooting multiple days in a row. Then they just get wiped down and swabbed with a bore brush until the last day, then they get a full break down cleaning.
Many folks don't have your OCD cleaning compulsion and for them the Mod 17 Remington, Mod 37 Ithaca, and BPS designs has some advantages. Without a side ejection port lots of trash stays out of the receiver. When held upright most water stays out too when hunting in foul weather. Being a pump you don't get powder fowling blowback into the action and what does come out of the chamber simply falls out the bottom.
Thanks to Brownell's and YouTube you can learn to fully breakdown, clean, and re-assemble or decide that it should be done annually or so, as required, by a gunsmith.
 
Got my Super Nova in 2010-2011 and hate to say I have never cleaned it. I don't shoot it a ton but last few years got 4-8 boxes per year. The magnum turkey loads I have suck to pattern check and turns that pump into an auto unloader most of my upland loads are 2 3/4 5shot which are pretty mild, been ears since gooe hunting. After seeing it mentioned I have seen 2 semi auto fail on a hunt, not sure what they are exactly but they were older guns and likey age and maintenance were the cause.
I'm by far not a shotgun nut but with all guns and bows you kind of need to look at what your purpose is, I needed a gun that could shoot steel shot which led me to the Nova or 870.
1. Figure out best possible what the majority use is
2. Keep weight in mind and look at every kind you can for fit and feel, example does 1 gun naturally shoulder better han another. How does the gun feel for maneuvering while shouldered
3. Do the controls make sense and easy for a youth to operate, such as can he load the tube himself
4. What kind of ammo selection do you have. I need to go back and pattern some of mine because there are shot I can't believe I have missed or made at times. Keep in mind that load speeds matter I got a buddy that went 100% steel so his pheasant shooting was the same for ducks and geese, cheaper Federal but box. If you are used to using target loads practicing consider running some of your hunting loads once in a while.
 
You never know . Is it a pump ? It depends on who made it , and what grade it is .
I would bet you're not going to get rid of it , but it's nice to know what you have .
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Man I had to drag this one out of the safe. Lot's of memories and you're right, it's not for sale but everything has a price! Yep, pump and I can still remember my dad putting a pencil in the magazine to make it legal for quail hunting. I bet they don't consider a pencil as a "legal" plug. Hell, they might not of ever allowed that but that's what dad used.

I've also got a Remington 1100 12 gauge that I've owned for several years that's nothing but a safe queen.

I need to dust them off and try to hit some clay!
 
had to drag this one out of the safe.
I had to get some of mine out this morning too . Lol .
I know nothing about that , but would love to own one , and for you it has personal value . That's the best kind .
Love to research this kind of stuff . Here's a link . Looks like it's made by Noble . Model 60 .
First I've heard of Noble .
 
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