RF Build In Slow Motion (Sinks are done!)

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Since a few people on another board that I frequent seem to think I am full of crap about what we are paying for scrap steel for our build, here is this week's update on the 500 gal RF smoker.
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We started off this morning going to the scrapyard looking for metal. We needed two full sheets of 4'x8' 1/4" steel and 3 sheets of 4'x8' expanded metal. I wasn't very hopeful as the last few trips to the scrapyard have been slim pickings. But today was very much a good day.

When we first got there we stumbled across some 1/4" and 1/8" plate. Unfortunately only one of the pieces of 1/4" plate was big enough for what we needed. So we loaded that into Dennis' truck and then started grabbing some of the 1/8" thinking we could drill some holes and plug weld a couple sheets together. 1/4" around here is going for roughly $150 for a 4'x8' sheet new and none of us wanted to pay for that. While Dennis and I were getting the sheets loaded, Jesse stumbled across a motherload of 3/8". So Dennis ran up to the office to get a price on it while Jesse and I unloaded the stuff we had already found.

Dennis came back and told us the price was 30 cents/lbs. We were guessing what we needed was about 300 - 400 lbs so we should be ok money-wise. One of the scrapyard employees came down with a front end loader to pull off the stuff that was on top of the 4' x 16' piece that we wanted.

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Check out the pile of 3/8" that our piece and the square tube had been hiding.

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Here is our piece being taken to the scales.

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And then something interesting happened. The guy who was helping us could not fit the entire piece on the scales closest to us because of the concrete poles erected around the scale prevented it from fitting. Knowing the piece was 198" I told him we needed two pieces cut to 65" and then the remainder of it would fit for the last piece. So he cut it into 3 pieces where we marked it, picked those pieces back and went to the scales again. He came back about 5 minutes later and asked us how much we thought it weighed. I told him 300 - 400 lbs. He looked away for a minute and then looked back at me and said he was sorry but it was 780 lbs.

My heart sank instantly. The rough math I did in my head told me it would be about $250 before tax and that would only save us about $50 over new steel. But $50 is $50 so I told him to set it aside for us so we could run to the ATM and get the cash. We left the yard, emptied some money from my checking account, and came back to collect our tarnished prize.

When we got back I went into the yard sales office to find the foreman who negotiated the prices for scrap. While I did that, the guy who had pulled, cut, and weighed the steel for us picked it up with the front end loaded and loaded it into Dennis' truck without us even asking him to. The foreman came out, asked the loader dude how much it weighed and then went back into the yard office to run the weight through a calculator.

He ran 780 x .3 and shook his head. He then ran it through as 700 x .3 and shook his head again. Then he looked up at me and said "How about $100?" I told him I appreciated it and then whipped out my cell phone to show him some pics of what we were doing with all the steel we have been pulling out of his yard lately. I told him we would bring him some food once we had the build finished but he seemed unimpressed. I hope it was just the heat getting to him. lol

So, we got our steel and headed back. After unloading it we decided it was way too hot to work on the smoker and decided to call it a day. This will probably be the last update for a few weeks due to vacations and getaways that are planned. More to come...

Oh, and for those that don't believe:

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I believe ya Joel, remember. When I built my UDS? I also got most free or at low cost. I have been watching your build bud and it's looking great!!
 
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Like I said, it was another forum that doesn't believe me Bob. It is amazing what kind of deals you can find if you kick over enough rocks. ;)

We have 3 more months to get this build done before our first official gig. Wednesday of this upcoming week I have to pick up our trailer axles. Things are moving right along.
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WOW..... Thats freaking awesome man. Completely Awesome!!!!!!

I believe ya Joel, I'm just sitting here thinking how cool it would be to bring home a score like that. 

To update the axle issue's I am having on my build has been resolved. Here is a shot of the scale ticket, from a certified Cat scale.

Its pulling decent but not good. Doable but I want it better.

So after another 300lbs tongue weight and I will be a happy camper.

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Now, keep in mind that at the moment of the weigh in, I had 660lbs on the hitch. 

This really blew my mind.
 
Those are some interesting numbers Tom. Is that with the weight distributing hitch? The steer axle numbers seem pretty light compared to the drive axle numbers. I would imagine more tongue weight is going to put even less weight on the steer axle.

Any thoughts on my 60/40 plan?
 
Those numbers are with the weight bars off. So thats just the trailer setting straight on the hitch, so ya the front is looking pretty light.

I can put 3850 on the front and 6084 on the rear. 

After I get the front done I will take it down and weigh it again. Once without the bars and a reweigh with the bars on. 

Tonight I started working on the front patio. I decided to hold off on anymore work up there till my buddy can get over here and do some critical vertical up welding on the joint between the new tongue and the old coupler.

This is one of those spots that needs to be 100% perfect, I think I could do it fine but its one of those things that I would always think about. He welds all day everyday so the tight spots will be a piece of cake for him.

I did the scale thing this morning and it says right now I am at 660lbs and I had the bottle jack right behind the coupler.

Joel, I think if it was me, I would want to wait until I was close to being loaded with all the goodies before I even tried to set the axles.

My vote would be to tack one axle under it so that I could move it around. 

Then when loaded, jack it up and set it on stands as close to level as I could get it.

This would let ya weigh all four corners one at a time with the bath scales.

Once you got the total weight you will know what you need on the tongue.

Then I would make a honest guess and put a floor jack on each side of the trailer where I figure the center of the two axles would be.

Then you could use the bath scale again and pick the front of the trailer up off the stands and see what ya got.

If its to much tongue weight then simply move the jacks forward a foot at a time until you get close.

I hope thats not to confusing but its the only way I can think of without having the axles under it and taking it to a big scale.

They do make and sell a tongue weight scale for around 100 bucks but theres no need to buy one of those unless your building trailers all the time and you had different set-ups. 

When I did the bath scale, I used 3 feet of pipe, with the scale 2 feet from the load point. 

I zeroed out the scale with the pipe and the bottle jack on it. Then pumped the bottle jack until I had the full weight. The scale showed 220lbs. It was a 320lb scale so I had a little room left.

The reading is multiplied by the total length of the pipe between the scale and the block.

I believe I could have weighed the whole trailer one corner at a time had I used a 5 foot pipe between the scale and jack. LOL maybe 6 feet tho   

I am still in shock from seeing the actual scale ticket.    9000 freaking lbs and that does not count the meat or the beer. OMG what am I going to do. LMAO
 
Gee... sorry for the novel I wrote. 

But after writing that I went up stairs and loaded a plate with burgers from dinner I missed.

I chunked up a burger then spread tater tots all around and on top of the burger and then loaded it with cheese. And I Don't skimp on cheese.

Then a little ranch for dipping after the cheese melted.  LOL and since theres no pics I guess I can do a sound recording of me moning and growning cause my bellys so freaking full it hurts.  

This ranks right up there with Thanks Giving Dinner
 
Gee... sorry for the novel I wrote. 

But after writing that I went up stairs and loaded a plate with burgers from dinner I missed.

I chunked up a burger then spread tater tots all around and on top of the burger and then loaded it with cheese. And I Don't skimp on cheese.

Then a little ranch for dipping after the cheese melted.  LOL and since theres no pics I guess I can do a sound recording of me moning and growning cause my bellys so freaking full it hurts.  

This ranks right up there with Thanks Giving Dinner
I appreciate the thoughtful reply and no need to apologize my friend. I am thankful you are sparing me some of the pain you ran into.

I got some good news on the trailer axles last night. They apparently are adjustable and the guy is giving us the whole assembly so all my 60/40 talk may be moot.
 
Thats pretty cool. Your gonna have a trailer like the big rigs. Load to much food and slide the axles forward. Awesome man.

I am thinking theres two types.

1 being where the axles are made from the same size tubing as the frame and they mate with U bolts.

2 being where the axles are like on a semi trailer and are mounted on a channel that slides on the frame and gets a pin or two to hold it in place.

The second would be the cats meow. But with some creative thinking the first would work as well. Get close and leave space to move until the perfect spot is located and weld it up. 
 
I am being led to believe it is more like the second than the first. I will find out for sure on Wednesday but the guy told me what size channel to buy to make it work.
 
Great score I filled up the bed of my truck with scrap steel cleaning up my pile of small stuff loaded down and got like 30 bucks,  and went back to get some some 1/2" plate about 24x24 and it was 40 bucks.
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that will not happen again.  
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build is looking good cant wait for some updates
 
No pics from today because it was too miserable outside with the heat and humidity to take any. But everything is cut out and ready to assemble next weekend. Hopefully I will get some pics to share then.
 
We made some significant progress yesterday. I didn't post any pics from last weekend because we mostly were cutting metal up and most of you know what that looks like. We have managed to run through a 10lbs spool of welding wire over the last few weekends which is very amusing to us. As of right now we have $814 sunk into it in terms of materials and supplies. My apologies for once again pursuing my passion of cell phone photography. ;)

Here are the air intakes on one side.

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Fitting the slides in so we can control the air flow.

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Welding one side of the fire/warming box into place. We did get some warping when we first welded the back plate onto the propane tank so we had some fun trying to get it straightened out.

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Here is our damper for the warming box. You can also see some of our cave-dweller soapstone hieroglyphics.

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Here is the other side being welded up. In the background you can see what we have affectionately dubbed "The Persuader". The Persuader saw a lot of action yesterday.

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More assembly.

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We put some expanded metal over the air intakes to keep critters out and popping coals in.

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The front of the firebox getting welded in.

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Just as we started burning in the top of the firebox disaster struck. Out of wire.

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So off we went to Tractor Supply for another 10lbs spool. OBX then tried to weld his sack to the top of the firebox.

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We then cut out the front door. Since the evening was nice we decided to make an improvised charcoal grate and do a seasoning run while consuming some cold beverages. It took two cans of cooking spray to coat the inside of the smoke chamber.

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And it was on like Donkey Kong. We have some leaks with the smoke chamber doors but we already knew that. I was very pleased with the draw. It is working just like we had designed it too.

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We ran it for about 4 hours. We didn't have any thermometers so I couldn't tell you how long it took to get up to temp but the smoke chamber was too hot to touch after about an hour.

Next week we will finish up the warming box and start to build our racks and slides.
 
Is it going to be a stationary smoker or do you have plans on putting it on a trailer at some time??   Looks huge sitiing on the ground like it is.
 
Is it going to be a stationary smoker or do you have plans on putting it on a trailer at some time??   Looks huge sitiing on the ground like it is.


It is going on a trailer. We already have the axles but due to some commitments we made, getting the smoker done first is the priority. It looks bigger in person. lol

The firebox is 43" x 30" x 30" if that helps with just how big this beast is.
 
We made some more progress today before the bottom fell out of the sky.

OBX made a handle and latch for the firebox that really came out great.

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Working on the warming box.

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Temporary handle in place.

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The wind kept us from getting in all the welding that needed to be done.

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Getting closer...

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We need 3 sheets of expanded metal and another 100' of angle iron to get going on the racks next weekend.
 
Wow!!!! you guys sure are making progress Joel,a few good weekends and you should be ready to get it on wheels huh?
 
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