Recipes

[bmudd14474]

You know, back in 2010 when I joined, it was a much smaller place focused on teaching people how to make good Q, among other things. Maybe we need to quit the marketing aspect and go back to that. It's Jeff's site and he can do what he pleases with it, but it used to be a much less commercially focused place.

In 2010 the site was a fraction of the size and the monthly up keep was small dollar wise. Fast forward 12 years and we have grown with content at a staggering rate. Now introduce dedicated servers. More bandwidth. Load balancing and so on. It cost more to run. We have premier members that are generous and help but it doesn't pay the bills. Insert ads. This keeps the lights on and servers running.

If we had a paid membership to use this site ads would be gone and it wouldn't be commercial as you said but it has to be to continue.

This site will continue to be a place where a new person can come and learn. Where longtime members continue to craft and share their skills and will have the occasional person that doesn't want to share and that is ok as the ones that don't share are far out numbered by the kind caring folks that will bend over backwards.

I'm sorry you disagree but it is what it is and I respect that it is your view and won't tell you that your wrong for feeling how you do.

To each their own and thank you for being respectful in this thread as it means alot.

Maybe I've missed alot, I'm not sure. Not busting anyone's chops by any means, or don't mean to at least.
It is Jeff's site and he has every right to run it as he sees fit. I really like this site! If I didn't I wouldn't spend as much time here as I do. Sometimes there is drama...not always too bad other times there's more.

With everything the way it is...there's a war going on...if our biggest bitch is if a recipe is shared or not then we should all be grateful. That's perspective !

Ryan

Well said.

One of my favorite saying is

"First world problems"


Happy smoking everyone.

 

[tx smoker]

In addition, some recipes I receive as a gift, promising not to share. And I plan on keeping my word.

I'm with you 100% here. I was honored to receive a recipe a recipe from a member here that had been in the family for 5 generations, over 120 years. I was asked to keep it close to my chest. I have honored that request and will continue to do so regardless of how many people ask for it. I have taken the time to respectfully explain to those who have asked for the recipe why I cannot share it and every single person respected that. No issues at all, especially when I offer to send the mix (as much as they may want) but not the recipe itself.

Don't join the site and spam it with the last 4 months of your cooks with no details though

BINGO!! Hit the nail square on the head Jake. Maybe I'm just generous by nature but it does bother me when somebody comes in here and takes, takes, takes but gives nothing back. Seems kind of one-sided to me and that's not (IMHO) the culture of this forum. I've learned a ton from the people here and tried to share in return some of the things that have evolved from the knowledge I've gained. That seems to be the overall nature of the vast majority of the people here and one of the primary reasons I spend so much time with my SMF extended family.

Robert

 

[JLeonard]

My take on this.....If its a family secret recipe (not that there are any) and I post on here where I have cooked it. I may give you the basic ingredients but not the exact measurements. If you want to duplicate it, its kinda going to be like going to a restaurant and attempting to duplicate one of their dishes. Trial and error. If a thread is just a pic of your cook, I may give ya a like and roll on. Like I've told others on here, If you post a detailed write up of your cook and pics, I'll read it and glean the nuggets of wisdom from what you have posted. Heck I'm still a noobie at this cooking game. I learn everything I can from who ever I can.
But any way, thats my thoughts.
Jim

 

[BandCollector]

I can understand people not wanting to share for whatever reason. It is what it is.

However, I do feel that most people joined this sight to learn from others, and most of our members are always graciously willing to generously share their ideas, recipes, and techniques.

So, to you members, Kudos, and thank you for teaching me everything I know, share, and enjoy!

After all folks, they are just recipes,

John

 

[tx smoker]

After all folks, they are just recipes,

Not trying to be argumentative or contradictory here John but for some folks it's more than "just recipes", it's a matter of principle. Somebody comes in and unabashedly takes whatever will benefit them, never gives anything back, expects people to reply to their threads (need ego stroked perhaps?), but never replies to other people's threads. That is very one-sided. There is a recent member who's MO is exactly that. I picked up on it pretty quickly and simply do not read their threads. That's the mantra here...if you don't like somebody or what they post, just pass over it and keep going. Maybe I'm the oddball in this one but I was raised to believe that whatever you get, try to give back twice that much. Sure, you can't always do it but at least make an effort. There has been zero effort on the part of the person in question....absolutely zero. That's just my .02 and I will probably get some change back but felt compelled to share this observation.

Robert

 

[BandCollector]

Not trying to be argumentative or contradictory here John but for some folks it's more than "just recipes", it's a matter of principle. Somebody comes in and unabashedly takes whatever will benefit them, never gives anything back, expects people to reply to their threads (need ego stroked perhaps?), but never replies to other people's threads. That is very one-sided. There is a recent member who's MO is exactly that. I picked up on it pretty quickly and simply do not read their threads. That's the mantra here...if you don't like somebody or what they post, just pass over it and keep going. Maybe I'm the oddball in this one but I was raised to believe that whatever you get, try to give back twice that much. Sure, you can't always do it but at least make an effort. There has been zero effort on the part of the person in question....absolutely zero. That's just my .02 and I will probably get some change back but felt compelled to share this observation.

Robert

Robert,

I feel and understand your passion regarding selfish, self centered, pretentious, artificial, highfalutin, sophomoric, pompous, ostentatious, grandiloquent, knuckleheads!

I didn't mean to imply that I didn't care. I Do!

However, is it worth worrying or wasting our time with them. I just let them wallow in their own miserable existence.

Keep on sharing my friend. . .A lot more people notice!

Oh, By the way. . .Love your beagle!

John

 

[bigfurmn]

Im pretty sure those of us who are here enough to recognize each other would share almost anything. Then again if i promised grandma i would only pass things to family, well its a promise. Might i share something with a member here who i deemed trust worthy, probably. Would i post it, unlikely. This is a subject im very torn over.

 

[DougE]

Not trying to be argumentative or contradictory here John but for some folks it's more than "just recipes", it's a matter of principle. Somebody comes in and unabashedly takes whatever will benefit them, never gives anything back, expects people to reply to their threads (need ego stroked perhaps?), but never replies to other people's threads. That is very one-sided. There is a recent member who's MO is exactly that. I picked up on it pretty quickly and simply do not read their threads. That's the mantra here...if you don't like somebody or what they post, just pass over it and keep going. Maybe I'm the oddball in this one but I was raised to believe that whatever you get, try to give back twice that much. Sure, you can't always do it but at least make an effort. There has been zero effort on the part of the person in question....absolutely zero. That's just my .02 and I will probably get some change back but felt compelled to share this observation.

Robert

100%, Robert. I always try to give back more than I have gotten, here, even if it's just passing along what I have learned from others here.

 

[DougE]

Im pretty sure those of us who are here enough to recognize each other would share almost anything. Then again if i promised grandma i would only pass things to family, well its a promise. Might i share something with a member here who i deemed trust worthy, probably. Would i post it, unlikely. This is a subject im very torn over.

If it's a recipe that people make money off of, like Jeff's rub, I can see not sharing it, but if it's granny's awesome apple turnover recipe, why would I not want to share it so everyone can make granny's awesome apple turnovers. When granny told you not to share the recipe, I expect she had that woman in her church group who was always jealous of her recipe in mind lol.

 

[bigfurmn]

If it's a recipe that people make money off of, like Jeff's rub, I can see not sharing it, but if it's granny's awesome apple turnover recipe, why would I not want to share it so everyone can make granny's awesome apple turnovers. When granny told you not to share the recipe, I expect she had that woman in her church group who was always jealous of her recipe in mind lol.

I wouldn’t for a simple reason. I gave my word. If I don’t have my word to stand by, I got nothing.

 

[DougE]

I wouldn’t for a simple reason. I gave my word. If I don’t have my word to stand by, I got nothing.

Yea, I get that, but never experienced it. Our family recipes were always meant to pass around, with the exception of the fictional jealous church lady lol

 

[DougE]

I'd also posit that no matter what your families secret recipe is, it exists in many other kitchens, formulated by other cooks. This isn't rocket science, it is cooking.

 

[bigfurmn]

And many people keep the ”secret” more to honor someone special to them I think. I have no family recipes, God bless my mother but damn she can’t cook. Grandmas “secret recipe” cookies… Yup bought at the local bakery.

 

[civilsmoker]

Well I think some times its good to be busy and miss stuff some times (I missed the drama)......I know I post techniques and recipes as much as I can...I don't like to put food preservation or curing things out there because of a CYA....But I have learned a lot from many very good chefs and I do use lots of copy righted recipes that I won't share but will give credit to the author when I do! I don't think its any secret that I look up to GR a lot and use many of his recipes.....I also do a lot of cooking by taste, I don't think I have measured out what goes into a pan sauce or gravy for years years.....Its muscle memory and amount in the cupped hand....

All that said I don't participate in Instagram for a reason! I don't photo shop my pics and would prefer not to see edited things that aren't real...... I actually plate and eat the way I post and I do so when I don't even take a pic to post....because I LIKE TO DO IT!

I also fully understand the for profit business model, I have only complained once about a set of ads because it wasn't office friendly and if viewed at the office would have gotten me reprimanded or terminated for viewing....Those ads went away after I pointed them out to an admin.......

Finally, TulsaJeff shares recipes and techniques very freely (this is just good marketing!....and a good way to attract and keep clients....ie we are clients just as the sites advertisers are clients) and also has them for sale and he tries his best to run a positive forum....I also think its each members responsibly to keep the positive side of things (Just too much negative stuff out in the world to focus on it). if your blood starts to boil just move to another post and let it go out........I have learned this from experience.....

 

[chopsaw]

Seems to me , the whole thing that started this , and the guy is now removed is that he came looking for advice . He got some advice, and then said " you can't have the recipe "
Well that's fine , but no one asked . So to say " You can't have it " or someone asking for it and he says " I'm selling it " are two different things . I did think his comment was strange and out of context at the time I read it . Several other members have family recipes and when asked they decline with reason , and it's always understood .
Truth be said ,,, no one here needs his jerky recipe anyway . I mean he had to ask .

 

[pineywoods]

Seems to me , the whole thing that started this , and the guy is now removed is that he came looking for advice . He got some advice, and then said " you can't have the recipe "
Well that's fine , but no one asked . So to say " You can't have it " or someone asking for it and he says " I'm selling it " are two different things . I did think his comment was strange and out of context at the time I read it . Several other members have family recipes and when asked they decline with reason , and it's always understood .
Truth be said ,,, no one here needs his jerky recipe anyway . I mean he had to ask .

Actually that wasn't the first post I have seen demanding the recipe and as I said knowing the ones that wanted it I believe were more concerned with the safety aspect than the actual recipe. Pretty much since that thread it seems some members are demanding the recipe or stating the member shouldn't have posted it without the recipe. We keep getting "Reports" about it and some are referring to it as bullying.

So let me say this one more time and this is not directed at Chopsaw I've never seen him attack another member for any reason.
The intent of this site is defined by the owner of this site and that is to help people and nowhere does it state anyone has to share a recipe. The rules have not changed on this they are the same rules that were in effect when you joined the site and any change would come from Tulsa Jeff not anyone else.

 

[TNJAKE]

Actually that wasn't the first post I have seen demanding the recipe and as I said knowing the ones that wanted it I believe were more concerned with the safety aspect than the actual recipe. Pretty much since that thread it seems some members are demanding the recipe or stating the member shouldn't have posted it without the recipe. We keep getting "Reports" about it and some are referring to it as bullying.

So let me say this one more time and this is not directed at Chopsaw I've never seen him attack another member for any reason.
The intent of this site is defined by the owner of this site and that is to help people and nowhere does it state anyone has to share a recipe. The rules have not changed on this they are the same rules that were in effect when you joined the site and any change would come from Tulsa Jeff not anyone else.

Lmao bullying? That's about as woke as it gets. Especially when you say the people who are bullying are asking questions for food safety sake. Food safety used to be important here. As it should be. Sometimes you have to ask some questions to get someone to tell you what's going on. Otherwise it's a crapshoot and not worth anybody's time. I see people take food safety, especially curing, very seriously. Never see anyone out of line with their answers. Bullying.....lmao

 

[SmokinEdge]

Well I haven’t wanted to, but I’ll wade in the pool since my post was deleted because “recipes don’t matter”.
In rank and file posts, I don’t think a recipe is necessary. I think you will get a lot more interaction if you do include method and recipe, but not strictly necessary. However, this is directed to the administration, if we are going to have a carousel that highlights the members work and achievements, those achievements most definitely need to have details or they don’t get the carousel ride. Some folks spend a lot of time and effort to create, document and display their cooks. For them to be “bumped” for the ride by a member who puts half the effort in and gives no process or recipe, but gets the ride, because they are a new member,,,,,well that’s just wrong. Period. The core members here deserve more respect than that. There needs to be a separation between requirements for the board generally, and the showcase of the carousel. That carousel needs to be the high brass ring. That place we all aspire to be, some day. We need to watch how those who are there document their cooks, their presentation, the creativity, the effort. It should be a cut above that is strived for, not just cheaply thrown around to a newbie to to encourage them at the expense of the the guy who worked hard, played by the rules to achieve that ride. It’s just plain wrong.

 

[pc farmer]

Well I haven’t wanted to, but I’ll wade in the pool since my post was deleted because “recipes don’t matter”.
In rank and file posts, I don’t think a recipe is necessary. I think you will get a lot more interaction if you do include method and recipe, but not strictly necessary. However, this is directed to the administration, if we are going to have a carousel that highlights the members work and achievements, those achievements most definitely need to have details or they don’t get the carousel ride. Some folks spend a lot of time and effort to create, document and display their cooks. For them to be “bumped” for the ride by a member who puts half the effort in and gives no process or recipe, but gets the ride, because they are a new member,,,,,well that’s just wrong. Period. The core members here deserve more respect than that. There needs to be a separation between requirements for the board generally, and the showcase of the carousel. That carousel needs to be the high brass ring. That place we all aspire to be, some day. We need to watch how those who are there document their cooks, their presentation, the creativity, the effort. It should be a cut above that is strived for, not just cheaply thrown around to a newbie to to encourage them at the expense of the the guy who worked hard, played by the rules to achieve that ride. It’s just plain wrong.

I agree but not much that meet that requirement anymore

 

[SmokinEdge]

I agree but not much that meet that requirement anymore

Thanks for the reply Farmer.
However, I will say that at the time my post was made and eventually deleted, there were a plethora of worthy cooks posted with all the details, that were passed by the administration. Then a certain new member posted about 12 of his cooks, all at once in a bombardment, none had recipes or details. Then one of those was chosen for the carousel. I challenged that, and was sidelined as the result. I have tried hard to contribute, worked hard at it, and have been on the carousel, but not at first for damn sure, it took time and technique. I felt like I earned that ride, as it should be. Some dang fine chefs here cranking out fantastic food. This creates competition and desire. Cut us short to promote some new guy who gives minimal effort, your going to hear about it. I think that is a natural response. Just venting this off my chest. Nothing personal Farmer.