Question about refridgerated storage

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dlr1

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Apr 30, 2011
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so I've been doing a lot of reading about making and storing hot sauce and all of the canning and preserving process involved, so much that it makes me blury eyed sometimes, but they all seem to be involved with really long term storage like a year or longer so I was wondering if I want to keep my sauce in the  fridge for a few months after processing do I still need to hot water bath it? Here is a quick over view of what I have going, this is 2 different batches and I'm waiting for my Thai chilis to finish ripening before I do them.

Batch 1

1lb red habaneros, 1/2lb carrots, 1 1/2 med. onionion, 1 whole clove garlic, 1tblspn black pepper, onion powder, garlic powder,qnd 3 tblspn kosher salt, 1 cup red wine vinegar, 1/2 cup white vinegar, 1 fresh lime squeezed.

 Batch 2

 The only difference is the peppers and salt, 1/2lb red habaneros and 1/2lb red jalepenos 1/4 cup kosher salt ( I think this is to much because it has a really salty taste,can I reduce the salt taste some how?)

Sliced and diced the onions, garlic and carrot and tossed them into a skillet with some olive oil until everything was soft, the onion had started to carmelize a little, reduced the heat a little then de-stemed and split the peppers and tossed them into the skillet for just a couple of minutes (didn't want to fill the kitchen with pepper fumes) with the onion,garlic and pepper gave it all a good stir then into a food processor to which I added the vinegar and lime juice while it processed. I had already sanitized 2 quart Ball jars and the lids and had them waiting. When I had finished processing I poured the mash into the jar, wiped off the lip and placed the lid on screwed down just lightly tight.let the jars cool a little before I placed them in the fridge. The jars are filled to about 1/2 inch of the top. I want to let the mash sit in the fridge for a week or two before I run it through a blender which does a pretty good job of making it into a smoothy the maybe add a little dis-stilled wated to thin a little more then place back into the Ball jars after they've been cleaned and sanitized.

Now I need to know if this sounds safe (a little late I know because of how far I've gone) what you'd change or improve on. By the way I just did this Fri. 3-3-2013 so the mash has only been in the fridge a few days. Any and all imput is greatly appreciated.
 
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I am in waiting with you to see what some of the more seasoned canners have to say.

Kat
 
I'm beginning to think that the people with the answer are maybe all to sick to reply ...
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Where did you get the recipe/instructions for this???

  Craig
 
Do to the use of vegies (carrots, onion, garlic) in your sauce I would recommend pressure canning your sauce.  It will keep for a very long time this way.  Store in a dark area out of sun light.

Pint jars    25 minutes @11lbs under 2000ft

Quart jars 30 minutes @ 11lbs under 2000ft

Hope this helps, Tom
 
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Craig... the recipe itself is somewhat mine ,it's based on other recipes I've read as for the actual instructions for preserving, they are from various sources such as hot pepper sites and other related forums which most have stated that short term storage in the refridgerator for a few months is okay provided you have a good PH level but because I'm new to this I haven't been able to get a PH meter and was hoping that the amount of vinegar and lime juice would be sufficent to keep nasties out thats why I'm trying to pick the brains of the folks here. Like I stated I've done a bunch of reading and I think I'm on the right track for a novice

Tom .... I'm not to the point yet of being able to get a pressure cooker I may have to just go with the hot water bath because that equipment is more affordable and also because I'm more interested right now in just doing vinegar based hot sauce for personal consumption. trust me, this sauce doesn't last long in small batches a qt only last about 3 weeks thats why I want to make a little bigger batches.
 
Botulism grows in the absence of oxygen and moisture....  It takes somewhere around 240 deg to kill the spores.... acidity can kill it but....

Not being sure about all the "kill" mechanism in your mixture, I would suggest pressure canning the mix....  

Like Craig asked.....  Recipe.... if it is a reputable recipe found on a reputable site, you may be OK.....   Dave
 
Thanks, so am I on the right track though for short term storage of small batches of sauce, I'm hoping to get the rest of the stuff for hot water bathing but because I depend on the generousity of others for my veggies and stuff I don't want to go over board if I can keep it simple
 
Thats why I'm asking questions, one article I read said if you're using a vinegar based solution as part of your preserving process that a hot bath would probably be alright. Heck I've read some articles that mention just using salt and vinegar and leaving everything sit on a counter but at least I keep mine refridgerated. Jeez I hope I didn't waste good peppers because I didn't pressure seal the jars and I forgot to mention this stuff I have in jars is just for a week to let it blend then I want to run it through a blender to finish, do you think I messed up yet?

 Sorry if some of my responses seem sporatitc I'm trying to squeeze this in at work but will take more time when I get a free moment.
 
The sauce needs to have an equilibrium pH of 4.6 or less to be safely water bath canned or hot packed.
It's best to drop the pH to 4.0 for homemade hot packed sauce.
You must use a professional high-resolution and accurate pH meter that's calibrated, not just any pH meter will do.
Be very careful with random information on the internet, there's a lot of dangerous canning information out there.
There is no gaurantee that an untested sauce will remain safe in the refrigerator for long periods of time.


~Martin
 
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DDF's info on pH is correct as well as Dave's recommendations.  It would not be wise to use the hot water bath method with your ingredients. So why not put your money toward a pressure canner and be done with it.  You can get a decent one at W Mart at a very reasonable price that will fit your needs for approximately the same price.  Then again if you only intend short storage periods you will be fine refrigerating. 
 
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Thanks a million for all your input, I do realize the importance of properly canned and preserved foods and I probably will invest more on getting the proper equipment but I really wanted to find a good recipe for hot sauce before I do that's why I was trying to find out as much as I could about doing small  refridgerated batches and then expand from there. Once again I really do appreciate your help, the last thing I want to do is make some one sick or worse.
 
Craig --- I like the simplicity of that procedure, This is a fermentation process isn't it and it doesn't require some form of starter. Considering the amount of salt used it it really salty tasting or does it mellow out some?

Will I know if my hot sauce has crossed over to the dark side before I eat it ?? and how does pressure canning lower PH levels, man there is a ton of stuff to learn about this and I hope ya'll don't get to aggrivated with my asking or maybe not fully understanding some things, I sometimes get lossed with all the in depth reading and thats why I'm trying to find out the most important things and still be able to experiment safely with small batches.
 
Craig --- I like the simplicity of that procedure, This is a fermentation process isn't it and it doesn't require some form of starter. Considering the amount of salt used it it really salty tasting or does it mellow out some?
It ended up very tasty...somewhat salty..

I like some of the recipes here that don't use fermentation...

http://www.pepperfool.com/recipes/hotsauce_idx.html

I will prolly try a few of the easier ones there once my garden starts growing the habs and japs I am gonna grow...

Craig
 
Thanks Mr.T, I went back through some of the places I have stored in my favorites since I started this quest and sure as shootin I misread the info, that, like I said is why I ask.
 
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