Pepperoni . BGKYSmoker and Marianski .

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I've made pepperoni in the past a couple times . Once using a Kutis formula , and other times using a pre mix from TSM .
Wasn't wowed by either one .
Saw the recipe posted by BGKYSmoker BGKYSmoker the other day , and I knew I was going to try it .
Here's that thread with the recipe .
Changes I made to Rick's recipe were .
Sodium erythorbate
Potato starch
18 g's of salt for a 2 1/2 pound batch .
1/4 tsp Carolina Reaper powder .
Doubled the amount of paprika . For color . Also the reason I added the erythorbate .
The rest was as posted
Started by busting up some fennel '
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Then added the rest of the ingredients .
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Got it all mixed up . Thinking about doing some of this ahead of time .
Minus the cure . Vac it up and have it ready .
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Meats all mixed . I halved his recipe , but added the 1/2 cup water by mistake .
That's why I added the starch . Brought it right together . No issues .
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I actually let the seasoned grind go 2 1/2 days in the fridge .
Re-mixed a couple times .

OK . This is where it starts to get busy and confusing . I wake up Thanksgiving day . Kids went off to some " Turkey trot " run they do every year .
I had 5 lbs. of grind left in the fridge . I wanted to do a starter culture , but wasn't sure how it would work with the erythorbate .
So I grabbed another 2 1/2 pounds and mixed it up using Marianski's semi-dry formula . Thinking I would just put it back in the fridge for the day . I realised after adding the TSP-X that I needed to get it stuffed so I could hang it .

So I stuffed it all . This is Rick's formula .
I like the color with the extra paprika . This went back into the fridge for another day .
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Here's the Marianski semi dry formula . I used TSP-X starter culture
in some distilled water and a good pinch of dextrose . These went to the
basement to Ferment .
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Next morning warming up to smoke . I'll leave this hang for a couple hours at least .
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In the smoker at 130 to start . No smoke for these .
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Ran the smoker up to 160 . Pulled the chubs when the IT was 148 .
Hanging in the kitchen to cool . No water bath .
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I brought the Marianski batch out of the basement .
Took some nice color overnight .
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Smoker was already at 160 from the first batch . I'm not running smoke on these ,
So I put them in and cooked them start to finish at 160 .
Pulled when the IT was 150 . These were room temp when they went it . No worries about fat out if you don't over shoot the internal temp .
Cooked and resting . No water bath .
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Hung at room temp overnight .
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Here's the results . Ricks on the left , Marianski on the right .
Also used some of it to make jerky .
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Cut shots . This is the next morning .
Marianski .
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Marianski after hanging at 60 degrees for 5 days or so .
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Rick's , next morning .
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After a week in the fridge @36 degrees . Wrapped in pink paper .
This is the winner for taste .
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Both came out good . Rick's formula actually taste like pepperoni , and the added heat from the reaper powder is perfect .
Color is good for what I want too . Some of that is from increasing the Paprika , some from further drying .
These wood be great as sticks .

I rolled some of the paste out for the jerky . This was from Rick's formula with the added heat . Put on my oven jerky racks and cooked it at 200 '
It's good . Nice heat and texture .
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This got way to long and somewhat confusing .
End of the story is the formula posted from BGKYSmoker is a keeper . I like the added heat , and for my taste it needs it .
Be great in sticks or jerky too .

Well , we're in this deep . Might as well add the pizza I made last night .
I usually have dough in the fridge . Grabbed 250 grams , used some Tillamook motz , chopped salami and the dried pepperoni from Rick's formula .
Came out great . The pepperoni cupped , and took some nice char on the edge . The cooked flavor is really good .
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Thanks for looking . This got long . Hope it posts up in order or enough to be interesting .
I'll link this again for the recipe . Best one I've done .
 
Nice work.
What I noticed in BGKY's recipe is his contains the missing ingredient I've been looking for..
Anise.

Adding anise seems to change the flavor to a more "Italian" for my liking anyway.

I also left out the mustard seed.
 
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Boy howdy Rich, a lot of fine work there and well thought out too, along with a great write-up. I tried a batch using the Rytec Kutas recipe some time in the last century, yours looks and sounds to be quite a bit better, good job! RAY
 
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I've made pepperoni in the past a couple times . Once using a Kutis formula , and other times using a pre mix from TSM .
Wasn't wowed by either one .
Saw the recipe posted by BGKYSmoker BGKYSmoker the other day , and I knew I was going to try it .
Here's that thread with the recipe .
Changes I made to Rick's recipe were .
Sodium erythorbate
Potato starch
18 g's of salt for a 2 1/2 pound batch .
1/4 tsp Carolina Reaper powder .
Doubled the amount of paprika . For color . Also the reason I added the erythorbate .
The rest was as posted
Started by busting up some fennel '
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Then added the rest of the ingredients .
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Got it all mixed up . Thinking about doing some of this ahead of time .
Minus the cure . Vac it up and have it ready .
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Meats all mixed . I halved his recipe , but added the 1/2 cup water by mistake .
That's why I added the starch . Brought it right together . No issues .
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I actually let the seasoned grind go 2 1/2 days in the fridge .
Re-mixed a couple times .

OK . This is where it starts to get busy and confusing . I wake up Thanksgiving day . Kids went off to some " Turkey trot " run they do every year .
I had 5 lbs. of grind left in the fridge . I wanted to do a starter culture , but wasn't sure how it would work with the erythorbate .
So I grabbed another 2 1/2 pounds and mixed it up using Marianski's semi-dry formula . Thinking I would just put it back in the fridge for the day . I realised after adding the TSP-X that I needed to get it stuffed so I could hang it .

So I stuffed it all . This is Rick's formula .
I like the color with the extra paprika . This went back into the fridge for another day .
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Here's the Marianski semi dry formula . I used TSP-X starter culture
in some distilled water and a good pinch of dextrose . These went to the
basement to Ferment .
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Next morning warming up to smoke . I'll leave this hang for a couple hours at least .
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In the smoker at 130 to start . No smoke for these .
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Ran the smoker up to 160 . Pulled the chubs when the IT was 148 .
Hanging in the kitchen to cool . No water bath .
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I brought the Marianski batch out of the basement .
Took some nice color overnight .
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Smoker was already at 160 from the first batch . I'm not running smoke on these ,
So I put them in and cooked them start to finish at 160 .
Pulled when the IT was 150 . These were room temp when they went it . No worries about fat out if you don't over shoot the internal temp .
Cooked and resting . No water bath .
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Hung at room temp overnight .
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Here's the results . Ricks on the left , Marianski on the right .
Also used some of it to make jerky .
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Cut shots . This is the next morning .
Marianski .
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Marianski after hanging at 60 degrees for 5 days or so .
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Rick's , next morning .
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After a week in the fridge @36 degrees . Wrapped in pink paper .
This is the winner for taste .
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Both came out good . Rick's formula actually taste like pepperoni , and the added heat from the reaper powder is perfect .
Color is good for what I want too . Some of that is from increasing the Paprika , some from further drying .
These wood be great as sticks .

I rolled some of the paste out for the jerky . This was from Rick's formula with the added heat . Put on my oven jerky racks and cooked it at 200 '
It's good . Nice heat and texture .
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This got way to long and somewhat confusing .
End of the story is the formula posted from BGKYSmoker is a keeper . I like the added heat , and for my taste it needs it .
Be great in sticks or jerky too .

Well , we're in this deep . Might as well add the pizza I made last night .
I usually have dough in the fridge . Grabbed 250 grams , used some Tillamook motz , chopped salami and the dried pepperoni from Rick's formula .
Came out great . The pepperoni cupped , and took some nice char on the edge . The cooked flavor is really good .
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Thanks for looking . This got long . Hope it posts up in order or enough to be interesting .
I'll link this again for the recipe . Best one I've done .
What a great post I really enjoyed reading all of this. I’m gonna have to put this on my bucket list.

HT
 
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chop chop, all that looks good..... by the way no confusion here as I just looked at the pictures and it all looked good to me....LOL
 
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As usual, excellent write up! Oh man that PIZZA!!! Thanks for taking it for the team and reporting back! Oh man excited. Like you, ran pepperoni a few times and fails. To me the "secret ingredient" in Rick's is the mustard. I've looked at a LOT of recipes and that's the first I've seen it. Might not actually be traditional, but don't care.
 
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a lot of fine work there and well thought out too,
Thanks Ray . The plan kind of changed as I went , but all turned out great .
Rytec Kutas recipe some time in the last century, yours looks and sounds to be quite a bit better,
The more you do this , the more you adjust for your taste and what you like . That's why I never follow percentage of spices .
What a great post I really enjoyed reading all of this.
Well I appreciate that comment . Wasn't sure how it was gonna flow in a post .
Thanks for looking .
gonna have to put this on my bucket list.
These would be great as sticks . My next batch will be sticks , smoked with mesquite .
Dried down a week or so .
 
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I don’t know man….that would never make it to the pizza stage… crackers, cheddar, and stick of that I‘d be fat happy boy. And using the jerky to clear my palate while cutting more to snack on!

Jim
 
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Amazing work Rich! The cupped roni is perfect! I'm doing a pizza tonight. Though, not homemade pepperoni. But I did a three day rest on the dough. And the sausage I made. We'll see in a hour or so.
 
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Yuk! I hate cold pizza!!! Lol!

I think I got the liking for cold pizza ( don't get me wrong , I love mine HOT out of the oven )
as when I was a kid when mom and dad had friends over and had pizza ( back then it was probable Kraft homemade )
they always left me a piece in the fridge as I delivered the morning paper. And no microwaves back than. lol

Sorry Rich for the hijack of your thread.

David
 
Great write up. I use BGKY's recipe too. Everyone that's tried it so far really likes it and are asking for more. I really like the idea on turning the left over meat from the stuffing tube into jerky. Great idea.

Just to clarify, you used starter culture in Marianski's recipe, but not BGKY's, correct?
 
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