New MES Bluetooth Digital smoker

Discussion in 'Electric Smokers' started by parrot-head, Nov 7, 2014.

  1. brickguy221

    brickguy221 Smoking Fanatic

    You were supposed to put the chips in the last 45 minutes of the 3 hr seasoning period and not right away.
     
  2. meilers

    meilers Newbie

    Okay well I messed that up, I can't think it will be life or death of the smoker! What about on a normal smoke, not break in? Dump chips after pre-heat?
     
  3. Yes. They won't start burning until the heating assembly is hot enough. My experience in using chips, they only last for 20-30 min, then you need to add more. That's why I prefer to use the pellet smoker.
    Dennis
     
  4. daricksta

    daricksta Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    It's the right place to ask the question and to get an answer. The verdict is guilty, m'lord. Actually, just so happens I experimented with smoking baby backs unfoiled a couple of weeks ago. What I found was that the bark was much heavier than I like it even though the smoky flavor was good. I and my family prefer the "wet" look for both pork ribs and beef brisket. I don't like a lot of bark on either one because I like to finish both by brushing BBQ sauce on the meat during the last 30 minutes of cooking. Foiling enables me to control the amount of bark produced. From now on I'll be using the 3-2-1 or 2-2-1 or other variations of that method.

    You don't have to foil of course. It all depends on the result you're going for.
     
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2015
  5. daricksta

    daricksta Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Masterbuilt doesn't recommend soaking wood chips beforehand. When I first got my MES 30 Gen 1 I soaked the wood chips in one of my first smokes but I found it didn't change the amount of smoke produced or how long the chips lasted. What it did do was to really more steam inside the smoker which is what you don't want.

    Remember that you're only going to get about 20 minutes or so of smoke from wood chips before they're burnt out. Also remember that the seasoning process is to dry out any factory machine oils and such inside the smoker so you'll be smelling all that during that seasoning process. All that goes away though.

    My personal recommendation is to learn how your smoker works while using wood chips and then switch to wood pellets. For me and my style of smoking, the smoke from wood pellets enhances the meat instead of overpowering it but then I tended to have a heavy hand when adding chips during a smoke.
     
  6. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    I'm glad to hear Masterbuilt stopped instructing people to soak chips. When I got my MES they said to soak chips for 30 minutes prior to putting them in smoker.  That was pretty much debunked by most MES owners on this Forum.

    Bear
     
  7. daricksta

    daricksta Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Yep. Just re-read my three-year-old owners manual and nothing is said about soaking wood chips before adding them. I only smoked them that one time because that's what all the grilling and smoking cookbooks instructed. I found out that it was a bit of a hassle to load wet chips into the loader and dump all of them out. I'm still on the fence over soaking wood chips I spread over charcoal. The dry chips flame up and scorch the outside of whatever I'm grilling way before the inside is done. Wetting the chips helps to prevent this and that's all it does.
     
  8. mummel

    mummel Master of the Pit

    Shows you how things change.  In three years more myths will be debunked and we'll laugh and look back (i.e. meat taking on smoke time etc). 
     
  9. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    I hope this Works:

    Rick,

    This (Below) is what MB used to have in their manual.

    They used to think soaking was the right thing to do.

    I'd like to think it was this Forum that changed their minds.

    Bear

     
  10. daricksta

    daricksta Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Whoa. They replaced it with this:

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    HOW TO USE WOOD CHIP LOADER

    Before starting unit, place 1 cup of wood chips in chip loader.

    Never use more than 1 cup of wood chips at a time.

    Insert wood chip loader into smoker.

    Wood chips should be level with top rim of wood chip loader.

    Turn handle to “Unload” mark on smoker. Wood will drop onto wood chip holder. Turn handle to “Load” and leave wood chip loader in place inside smoker.

    Check wood chip holder periodically to see if wood has burned down by removing wood chip loader and looking into smoker through hole.  Add more chips as needed.

    Wood chip loader must be pulled out completely from smoker when checking wood chip level.

    See? Nothing about soaking the wood chips first. And it goes on to instruct how to add more wood during a smoke.
     
  11. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    That's what I'm saying---Read what I wrote----They changed it, and I believe it was because of all the guys on this forum who told them soaking the chips was a dumb thing to do with an MES.

    Bear
     
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  12. daricksta

    daricksta Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    I knew that I had never read about soaking the wood chips in my owners manual.

    Power to the people, my friend!
     
  13. daricksta

    daricksta Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Yep, you messed it up. Better put it up for sale on ebay or craigslist and buy a new one...

    I'm not sure the reason why MB instructs you put the wood chips in during the last 45 minutes. Only thing I can think of perhaps the smoke emits solids that get in the way of the machine oils and stuff burning up since those solids are deposited in the interior of the smoker. I bet you could thoroughly wipe down the inside--walls, ceiling, floor, heating element housing, wood chip holder--with damp paper towels, let dry, and repeat the seasoning process. You probably don't even have to do that and you should be fine.

    Since I use the AMNPS, I light and then insert it after the smoker temp is around 215°. I like to get the inside smoky before I add the meat or cheeses. I lose some with the open door but the heat and smoke rebuild quickly.
     
  14. brickguy221

    brickguy221 Smoking Fanatic

    Even though the AMNPS doesn't put out a lot of heat, I think it aids the MES a wee bit in recovering heat quicker than with no AMNPS. I know that when I used both my new BT and AMNPS Sunday and opened the door 2-3 times while it was in use, I was amazed at how fast it recovered to the set temp. My old 2.0 never came close to recovering that fast when I was using wood chips. Infact at that time, I never had heard of the AMNPS until I recently joined this forum.
     
  15. daricksta

    daricksta Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Infact at that time, I never had heard of the AMNPS until I recently joined this forum. That's how I found out about it. I learned for a fact how much heat is produced by the AMNPS when I first cold smoked cheese. The MES was not plugged in but when I checked on the cheese after a few hours all the different pieces had partially melted into the rack tines. The initial answer to that was to put 1-2 plastic jugs of frozen water inside the smoker to keep the temp down. The second time the cheese still melted a bit after the ice thawed from the low heat from the AMNPS. The final answer(s) to preventing the cheeses from melting into the racks was to buy Qmatz from Todd, use those in addition to the plastic jugs of frozen water, and to not smoke the cheeses for so damn long.
     
  16. I wrap a handful of dry chips in heavy foil and put about 6 small holes in the package. Lay on charcoal for 5 minutes then grill food. Will last for 15 - 20 minutes.

    Five String
     
  17. mummel

    mummel Master of the Pit

    Has anyone used their Maverick to check what the actual temp is of the AMPS in the chamber with the smoker off.  I would be really curious.  Because I did a long smoke the other day and it hardly consumed any energy. 
     
  18. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    I think it would be hard to tell what the AMNPS contributes to a Smoke while the MES is also heating.

    However there are some posts (if you can find them) where guys commented how much the AMNPS added to the Ambient Temp during a cold smoke.

    Bear
     
  19. mummel

    mummel Master of the Pit

    Yeah, smoker off, AMPS burning, and Maverick 733 on the third shelf.  I would be curious.  Will test it myself in a couple of weekends when I have some time. 

    I also want to take thermal temps of the surface because to me if feels like I am missing some insulation around the door.  If I move my hand across the surface of the side, starting at the back of the smoker, and towards the front, its relatively warm to the touch, but when I get maybe 2-3 inches away from the door, suddenly the temp explodes and it burns your hand.  If I then move my hand across the surface from top to bottom, in that 2-3 inches zone, this heat is consistently extremely hot, running vertically, in a rectangular shape.  Same occurs on the opposite side.  It seems like there is no insulation around the door about 2-3 inches deep into the smoker (if this description makes sense).

    Can anyone else confirm?
     
    Last edited: Jun 19, 2015
  20. dr k

    dr k Master of the Pit

    I'll be doing that with 1/3 c. Todd's garlic spice pellets on Father's Day at my parent's house.  He doesn't have a smoker and were doing a garlic, onion lime juice marinated boneless pork loin on a rotisserie.

    -Kurt 
     

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