Montreal Smoked Meat and the discussion with SWMBO

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disco

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I went to the freezer and took out my last pack of pastrami. When I realized I didn't have any pastrami, corned beef or Montreal smoked meat left my hand started to tremble. Fortunately I had a full packer brisket in the freezer from my last trip to Edmonton.

I decided I wanted Montreal Smoked Meat this time.

I started by trimming the fat cap to what I thought was a modest level. More about that later.

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Then I separated the point from the flat. I will use the point for burnt ends. I like to cure it and make Montreal Smoked Meat out of it too but I was informed by a higher power, She Who Must Be Obeyed, that it is too fatty and not good for me.

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I cut the flat into 2 pieces to make it easier to fit in bags. I weighed each piece.

I mixed together my Montreal Smoked Meat dry cure. For each kilogram of beef, I use:
  • 3 grams of Prague powder #1
  • 35 grams of Kosher salt
  • 30 grams of pepper corns, roughly cracked (I use a coffee grinder)
  • 15 grams sugar
  • 15 grams coriander seeds, roughly cracked (I use a coffee grinder)
  • 5 ml powdered bay leaf (if you can’t find powdered, run dried leaves through a coffee grinder)
  • 5 ml ground cloves
Realizing that my good 'merican friends are behind the rest of the civilized world that works out to the following per pound:
  • 0.05 ounces of Prague powder #1 (1/5 teaspoon)
  • 0.6 ounces of Kosher salt
  • 0.5 ounces of pepper corns, roughly cracked
  • 0.25 ounces of sugar
  • 0.25 ounces of coriander seeds, roughly cracked
  • 1/2 teaspoon powdered bay leaf
  • 1/2 teaspoon ground cloves
So I made up enough cure for one piece and then put the meat on a tray. I rubbed the curing mix over the beef. I put it in a vacuum bag and made sure to put all the mix that fell onto the tray into the bag. I sealed the bag but did not apply the vacuum to it so I could massage it.

I repeated this with the second piece of beef.

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I put the bags in the fridge for 10 days, massaging them daily.

I took the bags out and took the beef out. I knocked the peppercorns and loose spices off. You don't have to get it all off, just most of it.

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I rinsed the beef under running water. Then I soaked it in cold water for 60 minutes, changing the water twice.

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I dried the beef with paper towels and then put it in the fridge on a rack, uncovered, overnight to develop pellicle.

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I put it in my pellet smoker at 180 F and used my A-Maze-N tube smoker with hickory pellets. I smoked it to an internal temperature of 150 F.

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I let it cool, wrapped it in plastic wrap and put it in the fridge overnight to let the smoke work its way in.

The next day I put it on a rack over simmering water and covered the pan. I let it steam for 3 hours.

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At this point you can use it as a hot meal but I wanted sliced meat for sandwiches so I let it cool, wrapped it and put it in the fridge overnight.

The next day I sliced it up.

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I had trimmed some very lean for SWMBO.

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I also did some with a modest fat layer for me.

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I thought it was a perfect fat level. Apparently I was wrong. Apparently, I shouldn't be eating so much fat regardless of how good it tastes. I stand corrected.

I put the meat in vacuum sealed bags. When I want a hot sandwich, I just put the bag in boiling water for 10 to 12 minutes.

As I made my first sandwich, I felt such guilt and realized SWMBO was right. As wonderful as this perfectly marbled meat tasted great it was undoubtedly bad for me. I would have to have a second sandwich just to feel better.

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The Verdict

I love Montreal Smoked Meat. It has a strong seasoning that compliments the great brisket taste. Just don't make the mistake I made. Don't leave a nice layer of fat no matter how tasty it is.

Disco
 
Looking good Disco. I love Montreal Smoked Meat, but had no idea how to make it. Now I do. My already good day just got better.
I'm afraid I have to agree with SWMBO when it comes to eating fat. A chunk of fat--any size--in my mouth brings on the gag impulse. So I'll have to share her portion. LOL
 
Looking good Disco. I love Montreal Smoked Meat, but had no idea how to make it. Now I do. My already good day just got better.
I'm afraid I have to agree with SWMBO when it to eating fat. A chunk of fat--any size--in my mouth brings on the gag impulse. So I'll have to share her portion. LOL
Gary
I am with you normally. I don't eat the fat on my prime rib or steak but there was a guy who had a deli years ago in Richmond, BC. You got to pick whether you wanted fatty or lean. I always took lean. I'd been there several times and we started chatting. He said I was getting the worst cut of the meat with the lean and that the aficionados looked for about 30% fat. He offered to make me a sandwich with that and I could bring it back if I didn't like it and he would make me a lean one. He was right. The cured fat really adds to the texture.

So, if you are brave, come on down and I will make you a slider with lean and one with fat. I might convert you!

Disco
 
Great smoke of a classic piece of meat. Modest layer of fat or not i would not hesitate to have 1/3lb of that goodness.
And good humour to match.
 
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Great smoke of a classic piece of meat. Modest layer of fat or not i would not hesitate to have 1/3lb of that goodness.
And good humour to match.
Thanks for the kind words. I have several American friends who have never had Montreal smoked meat. They all rave about it as soon as they try it and describe it as better pastrami. It is a great Canadian secret!
 
Looks good but considering the two to three times a year I eat Smoked Meat, the recipe I use is more like MSM than Pastrami, I go with the Point and eat it untrimmed. Granted if it was a weekly meal then Bev would insist on lean too...JJ
 
Looks good but considering the two to three times a year I eat Smoked Meat, the recipe I use is more like MSM than Pastrami, I go with the Point and eat it untrimmed. Granted if it was a weekly meal then Bev would insist on lean too...JJ
I'm with you on the point. The marbling is to die for. But to eat it would be wrong, I am told.
 
very nice .. sure wished you lived down the street .. points to you disco ..
 
Disco,did you have to lay your Molson muscle in your track pants on the chesterfield after this cook ?
It looks delicious .... as usual....
POINT! "LIKE!"

Bill
 
Disco,did you have to lay your Molson muscle in your track pants on the chesterfield after this cook ?
It looks delicious .... as usual....
POINT! "LIKE!"

Bill
Thanks for the point, Bill. SWMBO was so concerned for my health, she had me do chores all day. She must love me.
 
So what then is the difference between MSM and pastrami?
 
So what then is the difference between MSM and pastrami?
When I do pastrami, I do a wet brine and then smoke it with seasonings on the surface. When I do MSM, I brine it in a dry cure with the seasoning, rinse the seasonings off and then smoke it. Both are finished with steaming. As a result, there is a strong seasoned flavour in the MSM. Also, the MSM is high in coriander and pepper. The pastrami has higher pepper ratio and more aromatics like juniper and bay.

At the end of the day, they are similar but have a slightly different texture due to the wet versus dry brine and different seasoning profile. If you like pastrami, you will like MSM and vice versa.
 
Man, That looks good !! My store wants way too much for brisket, but occasionally has decent pricing on Bottom Round. I might have to give this a shot using a specially cut slab of bottom.
 
Man, That looks good !! My store wants way too much for brisket, but occasionally has decent pricing on Bottom Round. I might have to give this a shot using a specially cut slab of bottom.
I have done this with bottom round and it is very good but the brisket has a better texture.
 
Thanks for the explanation Disco. We just finished an eye of round pastrami so we have a good bit of freezer fare but next time I may try a MSM. That is, if I come across a brisket flat for less than a kings ransom. I get your restrictions from SWMBO. Mine keeps the bacon under lock and key and only doles it out rarely and in limited amounts.

Mosparky, see if you can snag an eye of round for a pastrami. It is pretty lean and doesn't want to finish much above 150F but sliced thin makes a pretty good pastrami.
 
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