MES 30 Wood Chip Tray Question

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daricksta

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Apr 27, 2012
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After my MES 30 was delivered I found out that a larger wood chip tray was available for free as a retrofit kit. I ordered it and received it weeks ago but just really took a look at it today. The replacement tray is exactly the same size as the one that came inside my smoker. Did the wood chip trays used to be smaller in the older Masterbuilts? Did Masterbuilt update the design in the past year or so?

Now, my MES 30, although kind of still brand new, is not the really new updated design that the guys have been posting about, the ones that are $300 or so--the ones with the glass door and new vent design and everything. 

Just wanted to add that although my MES 30 is not the newest and best (which is what I usually crave) I dearly love it. I'm having a blast and my family loves what's coming out of it for dinner.
 
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For a period of time Masterbuilt was installing Chip trays that were half the size of the one you have. Strange thing is they switched back to the large tray but didn't seem to keep track of which serial number models had which tray. If you ask they just send you the Retro Kit...JJ
 
Thanks for the answer. I thought it was something like that. I know a lot of guys here mod their Masterbuilts but I looked at the wood chip tray assembly inside the smoker and thought "Swapping this thing out will not be fun". I know how to use tools but I'm the most basic handyman there is. I was very glad to see that I didn't need to make the change.

Also, were you aware when Amazon.com suspended the sales of MES 30's on their site for a week or so? It was after I purchased mine. The comment they posted was that there had been complaints that the units being shipped were not like they had been described. Mine seemed fine but there was some minor cosmetic defects (the black finish was scraped off in some spots, showing a white primer or something. I could alway cover them up with black lacquer spray paint) but they weren't bad enough to ship the unit back. Everything else about the unit is fine, and I might have gotten a lemon had I exchanged it for another one. Whatever the problem was, the same merchant I purchased my MES from was reinstated about a week later and was selling the MES again.
 
I don't know what happened. Is yours the 2012 model with the Blue controls and drip pan access in the front or 2011 where the controler is a little Pyramid on the top and back on the smoker? People may have expected one model and getting the other...JJ
 
Sorry for the long delay in responding to your question, Chef JimmyJ. I forgot about this thread. I have the 2011 model; I didn't know that the 2012 model was about to be released or I would have waited. MB did send me a new wood chip tray which was identical to the one that came with my MES 30 so I guess I had the new design all along.

As it turned out, I bought a AMNPS from Todd and I greatly prefer that over using wood chips. My problem is that my food as a harsh aftertaste to it and I'm not sure if it's from too much smoke or not cleaning the interior of the smoker. I clean the grates and any grease or drips spots but I don't wash the walls or the door. That's the source of a lot of controversy in these forums, whether an unclean interior adds seasoning or is just plain sloppy and unhealthy due to creosote build-up.
 
A harsh aftertaste can be related to a variety of things. What kind of Pellets are you using? What is in your Rub? What kind of Sauce and what's in it? I have a 1 year old MES 40 that gets at least 2 smokes a month and other than grates, water pan and drip pan, have never cleaned the interior. There is nothing Unhealthy about the interior of a Smoker or any type of Oven. You preheat the smoker and any Bacteria that may have settled on the grates from the air are killed by the heat up. In fact you don't Ever have to clean the grates just preheat and put the next run of meat in. Now before anybody goes crazy, the point of Cleaning the smoker is not one of bacteria issues but to avoid a Grease Fire. So yes, clean the interior of grease build up. Beyond that there is no reason to clean the smoker to new condition...JJ
 
I've been using a mix of Todd Johnson oak pellets and a bag of hiclory pellets I bought at a store. I've also used hickory wood chips mixed with some cherry wood chips as well.

I've used a rub from Smoke and Spice that was fairly hot and spicy, and I've also used wet homemade BBQ sauces and some store-bought Korean BBQ sauce. I don't have any of the stuff in front of me now, but I know the rub(s) I've used have had garlic, paprika, black pepper, salt, jalapeno pepper, chil powder, maybe a little chipotle powder. I can always try to find the recipes and the products to get more specific but I'm trying to answer you while I have access to the computer. Things have been really busy at home.

I read someplace that after about 3 hours the food as absorbed all the smoke it can; I'm not sure if that's true. I love how you never clean the inside of your smoker--not even the grates, There are guys who are vehement about cleaning it all, and MB recommends it be cleaned after each smoke. You use your smoker much more than I do. I bought mine last April and have used it only 4 times. During the summer I used my Weber One-Touch Silver about 10 times, I think. The first thing I smoked in the MES was a brisket and I was really disappointed with the results. The meat was tender as I had hoped it would be, but the rub was way too hot and the warm was a black bark covering the meat, and the meat had a harsh aftertaste. When I smoked some ribs I also got that same black bark. The next time I did a brisket I used a different rub, but this time the meat wasn't that tender. My 2nd attempt at ribs turned out much better with my use of a wet sauce. Since it's been really wet up here in WA, the smoker will probably remain in the garage until next spring. I don't want to use inside my garage, but to use it I wheel it out from there and to my back yard, which is about 40-50 feet. After I finish using the smoker, I keep it outdoors overnight to let it cool off before wheeling it back to garage (I have it on a handtruck). With it being so wet and cold, to me leaving it outside at this time of year isn't an option.

Why is it an electric smoker can't produce a smoke ring? Can that only be produced by woodfire or charcoal? And do you agree with Todd about never putting water in the water bowl because it winds up steaming the food instead of smoking it? He also thought the water was the reason my AMNPS went out a few times. And I fully agree with you about heat killing the bacteria. I recently passed a state food workers license test and found out the little guys are killed off at 140 degrees and higher. Some of the guys warned about meats in smokers remaining too long in the danger zone--between 41 and 140 degrees, which is why they advised against smoking a large turkey. I've got a turkey breast I plan to smoke next spring.
 
Rick, evening.....  Be sure the top vent is fully open when smoking.... Sometime I think my MES did not have enough air flow through it and there was too much smoke in it...  So I slid the chip chute out to let more air in  and dilute the smoke, then I drilled out one of the 3 holes in it too 1/2" with a step drill....   Too much smoke causes bitter flavor....  Then I cut down on the chips added at one time to the chip pan... 1/4 cup or less.... that helped a lot...   then I tore out all the chip related stuff, put a mailbox and AMNPS mod to work.....  Last batch of bacon  had 36 hours of smoke and the flavor was great... Smoke was done over 6 days, 6 hours/day....   

Try 1/4 cup or less.... add more about every 45 min or so.... when it comes to smoke.....less is better....  Dave
 
Ricksta, I too smoked with Hickory until the Pitmasters Choice pellets became available. My family complained of a Harsh taste on ribs while I was using hickory, once I switched to PMC Pellets all was awesome and never another complaint. I have also found that if I go too crazy with Chile Powders in my rubs they can get bitter. As far as cleaning I do clean the grates, water pan and drip pan to avoid grease build up and a fire but I don't clean the walls. When I open the door hot or cold the interior has a glorious smell and believe just like a properly seasoned Wok or Flat top Griddle there is a lot of flavor in the seasoning that is now part of the smoker. You can always wipe it down with White Vinegar or Alcohol and then fresh water and re-season it for the next smoke. Just never use harsh cleaners...JJ
 
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