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I have an unusual need: "Neutral" Smoke

Discussion in 'Pellet Smokers' started by gstone, Nov 8, 2013.

  1. Nov 8, 2013 #1
    gstone

    gstone Newbie

    Seattle, WA
    Since I'm venturing into cold smoking, I just ordered an A-Maze-N Pellet Smoker to use in my wine barrel smoker.  Most of what I'll be doing will use hickory, apple, and what have you, but one other thing I'll be doing has me scratching my head. Apologies in advance for the long set-up:

    I'm a craft distiller by trade, and I'd like to do some R&D for making a peated malt whisky (Scotch style) from scratch.  I've malted my own barley with good results, but now I need to figure out a way to smoke the barley grains.  In a traditional malt house, the freshly-sprouted malt is piled up deeply on the perforated floor of a room-sized smoker, and the warm smoke filters up from the furnace below, through the grain, drying it and infusing it with the flavor of the peat smoke. For my purposes I'll be oven-drying the grain, and I'm thinking of Frankensteining a rotisserie into a slowly rotating screen drum for the smoking part.

    I've sourced the peat from Scotland, and the AMNPS seemed like a perfect solution for delivering the goods.  My plan is to smash the peat down into dust (it's nearly as hard as wood) and mix it with some other smoking dust.  Now, peat has a very strong and unique smell and flavor, but I'd like to minimize any non-peat characteristics as much as possible.

    So, my question is: what do you guys think would be the most mildly-charactered smoking wood available in smoking dust or pellets?

    Thanks for your input!
     
  3. Nov 8, 2013 #2
    mneeley490

    mneeley490 Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Everett, WA
    Flavorwise, oak is pretty neutral, but not what I would call "mild". For that, I think you'd be looking at pear, apple, or alder.
     
  4. Nov 8, 2013 #3
    gringodave

    gringodave Fire Starter

    Tucson, AZ
    "peated malt whisky (Scotch style) from scratch"

    Is that legal in Wa? I may have to make another move. :)
     
  5. Nov 8, 2013 #4
    foamheart

    foamheart Smoking Guru OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    South Louisiana, on the Mississippi River
    You might think about corn cob or a light oak
     
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2013
  6. Nov 8, 2013 #5
    gstone

    gstone Newbie

    Seattle, WA
    It is if you have a licensed distillery. "I'm a professional. Don't try this at home, kids."   Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;)

    Thanks for the ideas, guys.  I'd thought about alder, and I've never used oak. I guess I need something that says "smoke" but isn't so distinct that you can identify it, like you can with hickory, mesquite, etc.  
     
  7. Nov 8, 2013 #6
    jeepdiver

    jeepdiver Smoking Fanatic

    Highlands Ranch, CO (South Denver)
    If you are wanting to do itself that is understandable, but if not most larger homebrew stores will have peat smoked malt
     
  8. Nov 8, 2013 #7
    mdboatbum

    mdboatbum Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Washington, DC
    I'd say Oak would be your best bet for a neutral smoke. Why not just use the peat? I've ordered fireplace peat bricks from Ireland before and I'd think if you ground them to dust or pellet sized chunks they'd burn well in the AMNPS. Once that stuff gets going it keeps going and in the pellet smoker I don't think it would produce too much heat. You could also probably find a source for peat pellets. I believe I remember reading they were working on producing them as a heat source a few years back.
     
  9. Nov 8, 2013 #8
    mike johnson

    mike johnson Master of the Pit Group Lead OTBS Member

    Lacey, WA.
    What about using the charcoal pellets with the peat? Are you one of the new distilleries in the area?
     
  11. Nov 8, 2013 #9
    gstone

    gstone Newbie

    Seattle, WA
    I've tried a few of those, but I'm after a 100% Washington grain product, so I'll be using locally-grown barley and either malting it myself or having a maltster do it. I'll need to do the smoking myself so I can control the level of the phenols for the flavors I'm after.
    If the dust will stay lit by itself, that would be as perfect as I could hope for.  The stuff I'm using is the same peat used by most of the larger distilleries in Scotland and is much more crude than the Irish bricks I've seen for sale.  It looks like petrified poo, really.  These chunks are about 2" in diameter.

     
  12. Nov 26, 2013 #10
    phrett

    phrett Smoke Blower

    Milwaukee, WI
    I've seen aand used a product called Smoke Stix that are like a huge pellet, but they do burn when lit. I put them in a 1 cup SS measuring cup and in the cooker. The large peat pellets may work the same. If no a little lump charcaol with the peat chunks on top in a paint can cold smoker should work just fine. Search for the paint can cold smoker and you'll find the build process, about $15 bucks total.
     
    Last edited: Nov 26, 2013
  13. Nov 26, 2013 #11
    redwood carlos

    redwood carlos Smoking Fanatic

    Redwood City, Ca
    I'd go with alder it is native to the area. If it doesn't come out good just ship it down the coast and I'll take care of it for you.
     
  14. Nov 26, 2013 #12
    timberjet

    timberjet Master of the Pit

    Waitsburg Washington
    I have heard corn cob is nearly neutral. never tried it though. will I be able to get some in southeastern washington?
     
  16. Dec 5, 2013 #13
    donr

    donr Smoking Fanatic

    Akron, Ohio
    I am under the impression that Todd, the owner of Amazen Products, makes his own pellets.  His customer service is outstanding.  I know he has made custom smoke generators before.  Give him a call and see if he would be interested in making you a batch of pellets.  I don't know if you can make them from straight peat, or if they would need to be made from a mix of peat and something else.

    At worst he can say no.

    Don
     
  17. Dec 7, 2013 #14
    vagreys

    vagreys Fire Starter

    North Chesterfield, VA
    There is a source in North Carolina for Irish peat, sized specifically for use in smokers. I was looking for peat for smoking Irish Hams, at some point in the future, and saw the site. I know you say you've sourced peat from Scotland, but you may want to consider a domestic source. They offer volume discounts if your order is larger than their standard retail packaging. If you want more info, I'll be happy to dig it up.

    - tom
     
  18. Dec 7, 2013 #15
    daveomak

    daveomak Smoking Guru OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Omak,Washington,U.S.A.
    The most neutral smoke flavor I have encountered if Pitmaster's Choice pellets from Todd..... Mild, pleasant, non irritating when emitting from the smoker....

    Dave