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How do I get the most smoke/flavor in chicken without salt?

Discussion in 'Roll Call' started by smoker21, Feb 13, 2011.

  1. smoker21

    smoker21 Meat Mopper

    I'm getting to that age where my Doctor is getting on me about salt.  Everything I've tried so far does not come close to even a simple brine for the strong smoke flavor I LOVE so much!

    My Christmas present this year was a MES 40 and have only used it 5 times so far, but the weather is getting better so I'm ready to go!

    Also have an off set smoker and a Weber.

    Any recipes you guys/gals have out there I will welcome!

    Thanks in advance.

    JD
     
  2. eman

    eman Smoking Guru Staff Member Moderator OTBS Member

    JD,

     Salt is not necessesary for brining. It is necessary for curing.

     We have not  used added salt in our house hold for a long time.

      If you look in the wiki section at emans pig rub , That is a good salt free rub for pork and fowl .  on beef instead of using salt use cbp, herbs and garlic.

     There is a great no salt / salt substitute/ nom msg seasoning blend called Benoits Best.  Cajun Wholesale distributing, Maurice, La. 1-800-533-6923.

    We use this on most everything.

     You will find that No salt seasoning blends cost 2 to 3 times what other blends cost because the salt is the cheapest ingrediant in blends and most are 35% - 50 % salt.

     fresh or fresh frozen veggies instead of canned. Unsalted butter and olive oil  instead of  margerine or the crap in the tub.

     It is not hard at all to go on alow salt diet w/o sacrificing taste. it does take a bit to get used to not having salty food and it makes it hard to go out and eat as the food will taste overly salty.

     Good luck , Bob
     
  3. SmokinAl

    SmokinAl SMF Hall of Fame Pitmaster Staff Member Moderator OTBS Member ★ Lifetime Premier ★

    That's some great info eman. Could you clarify about not using salt in brining. I always thought that salt & sugar were the main ingredients in brine. Do you have a recipe for a salt free brine. We watch our salt intake as well.
     
  4. meateater

    meateater Legendary Pitmaster SMF Premier Member

    Ok, instead of a brine I suggest using  a marinade. Try using different vinegars, red wine, tarragon, balsamic......Now mix in some pepper, garlic, hot peppers......just stay away from the salt. I know it's hard, took me a while and now I don't miss it, I actually enjoy it.  Just life changes.
     
  5. beer-b-q

    beer-b-q Epic Pitmaster OTBS Member

     

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  6. alblancher

    alblancher Master of the Pit Group Lead OTBS Member

    You can use Eman's spices and make an injection.  I like a butter or margarine based but you can also use a low salt bullion or broth in your injection.  It may not be a direct replacement for an immersion brine but you do get great flavor and can add a good deal of moisture.

    Salt is what moves the spices into the bird when using an immersion brine.  Sugar has an effect also but the osmotic balance differential that moves the water and spices into the bird is not as great when just using a sugar soak.  Salt (NaCl) is the most effective. 

    With an injection you are forcing the moisture into the meat, the bit that leaks out during cooking bastes the skin.

    Good luck, when you get away from the salt you will notice a whole new flavor profile provided by fresh herbs and fruit juices.
     
  7. mballi3011

    mballi3011 Epic Pitmaster OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

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    First off welcome JD to SMF. You'll like it here cause there are alot of really good folks that would just love to help you with anything to do with smoking. Now we like having new folks here to give a new prospective on some of the ways we do things around here. Now if you are really new then I would suggest that you sign up fir the 5-day E-course it free and it will give you the basics on smoking and a few recipes too. Here's a link to it:

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    then you will have a method to your newly found madness and believe me it will be a madness. Then when you start smoking things you will have to learn how to post the pictures / Qview 

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    Now the next thing you have to do is run out and get something to smoke. Then just smoke it and if you have any questions just post  them here and we will answer all your questions that you might have. Oh yea there's no stupid questions we were all there in the beginning and we just really like to help others enjoy the fabulous smoked foods that we do. So again

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  8. flash

    flash Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Skip the brining. I never brine and my chicken comes out quite moist with out it. Try some mojo crillio for a marinade. You'll love it.
     
  9. Dutch

    Dutch Smoking Guru Staff Member Administrator Group Lead OTBS Member OTBS Admin SMF Premier Member

    Unless you raise your own birds, most of the birds you buy at the store are going to be 'enhanced" some some kind of a brine solution. A rub with some olive oil, garlic and onion powder and some fresh cracked black pepper is what I mostly go with. 
     
  10. Smoker21,

    There are lots of good ways to add flavor without salt.  The Czarina is on a low-sodium diet, and I have been cooking without added salt for many years (I do all the cooking at my house).  That's not to say "salt-free," but I almost never add straight salt to my foods. And when I do, I try to use coarse sea salt which provides more potent flavor so you can use a lot less.  Otherwise, we add flavor by using the right seasonings, herbs, and spices

    For smoked (or rotisserie) chicken, I do not brine, I inject.  My typical injection uses "Mrs Dash Garlic and Herb" and "Mrs Dash Chipotle" which I re-grind very fine, and then add to a combination of olive oil, melted unsalted butter (or margarine), and apple cider vinegar.  I use an injector needle with a wide orifice - which I found at Bed-Bath-and-Beyond for less than $15. (http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/product.asp?SKU=15956038)

    I hold back about a tablespoon of the dry ingredients, rub olive oil on the skin, and sprinkle with the "rub" just before putting on the smoker.

    You can also try adding some "pungent" seasonings into your rubs, that trick the palate into tasting "salty."  Some of these are dry or prepared mustards (I love adding just a little wasabi powder into my rubs and marinades), chili peppers - especially chipotle and d'arbol peppers,  horseradish, and ginger.  Ground curry is also good for adding flavor without salt, but I'm not a huge fan.

    Hope that helps.
     
    Last edited: Feb 14, 2011
  11. figjam

    figjam Meat Mopper

    I agree with alblancher ... the salt in the brine is what chemically makes it work.  All the other stuff is just additive for flavor.
     
  12. Welcome to SMF. You will learn much. I have never brined or injected a chicken before smoking. Some unsalted butter and spices under and on the skin and into the smoke. Baste with rum, bourbon, coke, apple juice. Whatever tickles your fancy. Mine are always moist and juicy.
     
  13. smoker21

    smoker21 Meat Mopper

    Just realized I never said thank you to all for your replys.  Sooo Thanks everyone [​IMG]

    JD
     
  14. old sarge

    old sarge Master of the Pit OTBS Member ★ Lifetime Premier ★

    Welcome from Arizona.
     
  15. fwismoker

    fwismoker Master of the Pit

    Salt opens up the proteins in the muscle to allow for better hydration of the cells. You can always use less salt and just brine it longer. 
     
  16. fwismoker

    fwismoker Master of the Pit

    Something i've never tryed is adding liquid smoke to a brine...it's a interesting concept to experiment with.