Grilla Grill Silverbac Alpha Vs. Traeger Ironwood 650

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Which would you buy? Silverbac Alpha or Ironwood 650


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I appreciate everyone's input so far. To be honest I was leaning a bit more toward the Grilla Grill SILVERBAC, being that it was cheaper, double wall insulated, dual mode controller, 4yrs. Warrenty but from what I have read on this thread I am starting to realize the value rec tec has to offer so now I am leaning more towards ordering a RT-700.

P. S. HOPE EVERYONE IS SAFE FROM COVID-19.
 
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Enjoy your new grill. It was a win/win decision. I don't know how anyone could buy one and end up wishing they got the other
 
I appreciate everyone's input so far. To be honest I was leaning a bit more toward the Grilla Grill SILVERBAC, being that it was cheaper, double wall insulated, dual mode controller, 4yrs. Warrenty but from what I have read on this thread I am starting to realize the value rec tec has to offer so now I am leaning more towards ordering a RT-700.

P. S. HOPE EVERYONE IS SAFE FROM COVID-19.

Good luck whichever way you decide to go Eric. And you stay safe as well. This COVID -19 is no joke.

At their price points, the Rec Tecs are hard to beat for what you get. Their 6yr warranty on the RT 700 shows the confidence they have in their product. And their customer service after the sale is legendary. The above reasons are mostly why you hear so much about them in here and elsewhere. For the money, it’s hard to beat them.
 
I ordered the Silverbac Alpha and have been using it for two weeks now. I am coming from using a weber kettle since 2008 and with the slow n sear for the past 2 years.

pros:
PRICE! ordered a cover and front shelf kit and still came in under the ironwood or rec tec
thicker guage steel
stainless steel cooking grate
alpha controller has PID or standard modes and can adjust increments of 5 degrees from 180-500
side door to dump pellets allowing for quick change of wood types. (i switch from oak, cherry, apple frequently)

cons:
no wifi or bluetooth connectivity (non issue for me as I have a dual probe wireless thermometer anyways.)
no double insulation on sides like the ironwood series. (so far has not been an issue using in mid 40's weather)
assembly instructions were somewhat confusing but I was able to work through it.
smoke flavor seems a bit weak for me but this is my first pellet smoker and it might be normal. I could get a very strong smoke flavor using charcoal and wood chips on the weber.

So far I am very happy with the Grilla. Time will tell how reliable the components are.
 
smoke flavor seems a bit weak for me but this is my first pellet smoker and it might be normal. I could get a very strong smoke flavor using charcoal and wood chips on the weber.

So far I am very happy with the Grilla. Time will tell how reliable the components are.
This is normal for people new to pellet grills. What pellets are you using? You have some options, first is to be sure you're buying quality 100% wood pellets. If you are, you can try stronger smoke flavors like 100% Hickory, a Mesquite blend etc. You can also try running the grill on low (around 180) for an hour or 2 then ramping up to 225 for the rest of the cook. Finally, theres smoke tubes which allow you to burn more pellets and get more smoke.

Pellet grills are very light in smoke flavor compared to charcoal or offset pits
 
This is normal for people new to pellet grills. What pellets are you using? You have some options, first is to be sure you're buying quality 100% wood pellets. If you are, you can try stronger smoke flavors like 100% Hickory, a Mesquite blend etc. You can also try running the grill on low (around 180) for an hour or 2 then ramping up to 225 for the rest of the cook. Finally, theres smoke tubes which allow you to burn more pellets and get more smoke.

Pellet grills are very light in smoke flavor compared to charcoal or offset pits

I used cherry wood on tri tip and steelhead. The steelhead was amazing, tri tip came out a bit dry but that was my first cook on this.

I used apple wood on a pork shoulder and some chicken breast. The chicken came out amazing but the pork left some to be desired

switched to oak for some steaks and came out very tasty.

My wife actually prefers a lighter smoke flavor. Once I get low on some pellets (bought traeger brand) I might try some mesquite. I love mesquite but it was always too strong for my wife. Maybe the lighter flavor will help us meet in the middle.
 
I used cherry wood on tri tip and steelhead. The steelhead was amazing, tri tip came out a bit dry but that was my first cook on this.

I used apple wood on a pork shoulder and some chicken breast. The chicken came out amazing but the pork left some to be desired

switched to oak for some steaks and came out very tasty.

My wife actually prefers a lighter smoke flavor. Once I get low on some pellets (bought traeger brand) I might try some mesquite. I love mesquite but it was always too strong for my wife. Maybe the lighter flavor will help us meet in the middle.

Well Traeger brand pellets in particular are very light on flavor. They blend 30% flavor wood with oak or alder as a filler. Both provide good BTUs but a fairly light smoke taste. Their mesquite and hickory pellets contain 0% mesquite or hickory, they are all filler wood with oils added for flavoring.

I prefer a 100% flavor wood pellet (I use Lumberjack, there are others) for more smoke flavor. There are blends or wood species with more or less flavor to your liking. Generally in order of how strong the smoke flavor is it will be: Mesquite, Hickory, Pecan, Oak, Maple, Apple, Cherry, and Alder.

Blends end up in the middle somewhere. The Maple, Hickory, Cherry blends are popular (competition blends) but I like the Oak, Hickory, Cherry blends for a bit more flavor
 
Between the two you started talking about I'd say gorilla! That being said I own a Pit Boss. Personally if I could have afforded it I would have bought the Rec-Tec.
 
Rec Tec is a nice choice! Compared to Traeger, the RT-700 is built like a tank. It's what I've sticked to for the past year, which is a record for me since I'm always on the lookout for something new and better - that's why I could never use something for a couple of years. I love trying new things. With that being said, I think the Rec Tec would be suitable for those with plenty of yard space, such as the first or second pic here (look how gorgeous the design is, btw). If I didn't have such a spacious outdoors, I would look for another model such as the Lil'Tex Elite from Traeger. But yeah so far my Rec Tec has proved to be so reliable especially during the quarantine. Lots of time to experiment with food!
 
The heat source is in the bottom of the cooker and you have a 12 gauge lid, you don't need insulation in the lid.
How is RecTec in the winter in very cold weather without an insulation blanket or cover?

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Heat rises. It's a fact. Yet they tout the thickness of the lower cooking chamber.

Slowmo,

That grub looks tasty! And your kit and deck look great!

I'm not convinced, though, by your "heat rises" dismissal of the Silverbac's double wall construction below the grates. I'm not a specialist in thermodynamics, but I know enough to remember that convected heat (which goes up and out the smoke stack at the rate set by the fan drawing in cooler air from outside the grill) and radiant heat (which travels in all directions from its source and is either absorbed or reflected) behave differently enough to explain a legitimate engineering decision to double-wall a grill near its primary source of radiant heat.

Again, I'm no expert in thermodynamics, but as I see it all pellet grills lose about the same amount of convected heat (the "heat rises" kind) based on the speed of the fan and regardless of insulation, steel thickness, etc., but lose radiant heat to varying degrees depending on insulation, material reflectivity and thickness, etc.

Hence, while little can be done about the "heat rises" kind of heat in any unit that constantly adds cool air from outside and allows smoke to escape, quite a bit can be done about radiant heat.

Anyway, I respectfully don't think the Silverbac's engineering (or marketing) is as unsound as you suggest.

Of course it's just opinions unless someone with both a Stampede and a Silverbac load them both with the same amount of pellets, set them at the same temp in the same environment and see which one runs out of pellets first.

(No one will do it though because real science would put the squash on at least half of social media, and what would be the fun in that? Ha!)
 
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I'm not convinced, though, by your "heat rises" dismissal of the Silverbac's double wall construction below the grates. I'm not a specialist in thermodynamics, but I know enough to remember that convected heat (which goes up and out the smoke stack at the rate set by the fan drawing in cooler air from outside the grill) and radiant heat (which travels in all directions from its source and is either absorbed or reflected) behave differently enough to explain a legitimate engineering decision to double-wall a grill near its primary source of radiant heat.

Again, I'm no expert in thermodynamics, but as I see it all pellet grills lose about the same amount of convected heat (the "heat rises" kind) based on the speed of the fan and regardless of insulation, steel thickness, etc., but lose radiant heat to varying degrees depending on insulation, material reflectivity and thickness, etc.

Hence, while little can be done about the "heat rises" kind of heat in any unit that constantly adds cool air from outside and allows smoke to escape, quite a bit can be done about radiant heat.

Bingo. The temperature delta between the wall of the grill and the outside air is going to drive heat transfer. The lower half of the Grilla runs cooler than any other pellet grill I've had the opportunity to use (save my Father in-laws Timberline, which is also insulated in that area), which means it is losing less heat through skin losses. They're all still losing heat to skin loss from the top, and the argument was "why insulate anything if you're not going to insulate the top, because HEAT RISES." It's partially true, but it neglects the fact that some-insulation still prevents more heat loss than none-insulation. An additional benefit for those of us with littles running around the yard, the bottom of the barrel stays cool enough to not cause a severe burn particularly when running at moderate temps.

The fact is that both of these grills are great, and a better value for the money than the Traeger offerings. Some people will be turned off by bullhorns and the RecTec culture. Others will be turned off by the more swing = more smoke argument (the Alpha controller allows you to choose what you want). When it came time to spend my money I couldn't stand the bull aesthetic and the way people get attacked for negative experiences with RecTec drove me elsewhere. Grilla offered a number of features I liked and at a lower price point, so that's what I got.
 
I don't think he should buy a Rec Tec because Billy told him to either. Especially with no further explanation.

But talk about things that rub some the wrong way, here is one thing that rubbed me the wrong way about Grilla.

I typically don't like what I consider to be gimmicks touted as "advantages". I like to actually see as much practicality and demonstration of said advantages as I can, while adhering to basic rules of logic, common sense, science even.

Heat rises. It's a fact. Yet they tout the thickness of the lower cooking chamber.

I grill and smoke year round, and live in a cold climate state. Pennsylvania.

When my house was built, they insulated my attic. They blew insulation material into the attic of my home. Not onto the floor of my basement.

Why??? Because heat rises.

If double walled lower cooking chamber construction is such the advantage, well then why isn't the lid of the Grilla double insulated too instead of, or in addition to, just the lower cooking chamber? Heat rises.

Why doesn't it come with felt gasket seals on the body and the lid like my Kamado Joe or a Big Green Egg to prevent heat from escaping from around the lid? Heat rises.

The bottom line is heat, and lots of it if it's cold enough outside, is going to escape from it and any other outdoor cooker in severely cold weather. And it's going to do that through it's skin, it's lid, and through any joints, lids, doors or vents. Same as with any other cooker. Same as in your house.

Thermal imaging is going to show heat escaping from any grill in cold weather.

If I want to "insulate" the bottom of my Rec Tec, well then I need do nothing more than let ash from several cooks build up inside of it and settle to the bottom. That should "insulate" the bottom of it quite well. I can get "insulation" at least an inch thick, just doing that.

But that makes as much sense to me as adding another sheet of metal to the bottom of it.

Rec Tecs are PID controlled. To the original poster, you may hear from those who will tell you that a non PID controlled pellet grill, or one which offers you the advantage of going non PID, will give you better smoke flavor due to wide temperature swings that is characteristic of a non PID controlled grill.

However should anyone tell you that, well then very politely ask them to point you to the blind taste test results which support that theory, as the burden of proof is on anyone suggesting such.

I doubt that anyone anywhere can consistently, say for instance on a 10 out of 10 attempts basis, tell you which rack of ribs for example, or which brisket, was cooked on a PID controlled pellet grill vs a non PID controlled pellet grill.

Show me someone with taste buds that accurate. Because you see, I have yet to see anyone make so much as a claim that they can achieve the above, let alone actually demonstrate that they can perform such a feat. And if it can't be done, well then one logical reason why it can't, would be because "there is no difference which can be consistently discerned".

Yet one of the pellet grills out there touted for so long, that wider swinging temperatures in a pellet grill offered better smoke flavor over tighter temperature control, the type of which is characteristic of PID controlled grills.............................and then later themselves came out with, you guessed it a PID capable controller of their own. Well actually a "hybrid". But one wonders.........it's a head scratcher.......if wide temperature swings somehow make food taste better in terms of smoke flavor, as was the position, well then why not stick with that and tout that, instead of putting something into your grills which was indicated in the past to somehow create a compromise in smoke flavor?

I don't like what I perceive to be gimmicks. They rub me the wrong way.

Pellet grills are a personal choice as you can probably see. Fanboism abounds and along with it trolling.

I don't blame Rec Tec nor Yoder for that matter as they do the same in this regard, not one bit for removing content which they believe to be troll bait and troll material attempting to trash their products from their respective sites.

Next, and again this is directed to the original poster, in your decision making efforts, I would suggest that you look at warranty and who stands behind their products and is willing to actually "bet" that you are going to like their product. So much so that you can return it for any reason within 30 days should you not be fully satisfied with it.

Rec Tec has a 6 year warranty on the Rec Tec RT700. It costs $1199.00 same as the Traeger Ironwood 650 retails for, but the Traeger has a 3yr warranty. Rec Tec has a 4 year warranty on the RT590. But Rec Tec goes a step further. They plainly state on their website as you look at their grills under "customer care": "If you are not fully satisfied with your REC TEC grill, just return it within 30 days and we will refund your purchase price. We are confident that you will love your new REC TEC grill".

With a position like that, you really have less to lose. It's also just a part of why Rec Tec owners are so vocal about their satisfaction with Rec Tec's customer service. You don't like the Rec Tec, you simply send it back for your money back within 30 days, no questions asked.

And then there is the WiFi advantage. Again, I direct this to the original poster. The convenience of being able to monitor your cook and your grill's temperature remotely is an advantage which is hard for me to overstate. If I have a brisket on right now, I can adjust the temp of my RT590 right from my bed via my smart phone, as well as tell the temp of that brisket remotely. And the Rec Tec has 2 temp probes as opposed to 1. So if I have a pork butt running along with that brisket, then I can monitor the temp of both pieces of meat, or monitor the temp of the same piece of meat at two different points.

If I have to run to Lowes or Home Depot while the cook is going, then I can monitor the temps again right from my phone while I'm inside the store, and make adjustments remotely if necessary.

If I'm in another part of the house, or even out of the house, I can ignite the grill remotely and preheat it while I'm preparing the food all without going outside until I'm ready to put the food on.

If I've preheated the grill, well then all I need do is glance down at my phone, from anywhere in my house or even outside of my house, to tell if it has preheated to the temperature that I want. But you know all of this if you're looking at the Traeger.

There is the 30lb hopper vs the 20lb hopper, the Ceramic Igniter rod rated for over 100,000 ignition cycles, vs ??? ignitor rod in the competing brands listed in your poll.

But no, I would agree with anyone in here who tells you that you shouldn't buy a Rec Tec because "Billy" said to buy one.

But if you do your homework, for the $100.00 difference in price vs one of the other brands mentioned in your poll, you may find that you are getting a better value in the Rec Tec.

Finally, someone in the thread mentioned that they don't use their grill that much. Only about twice a month.

I'm different. I grill or smoke as many as 6-7 days a week. Using a variety of cookers. This was the last cook I did on my Rec Tec this past Friday, 6 days ago. My Kamado Joe has gotten the last 5 cooks over the last 5 days. My Otto Wilde is up for sous vide steaks tomorrow. I expect good results and won't settle for less. Believe me, if my Rec Tec were not getting the job done, I'd tell you.


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I like the details above. I do have one question on the RT 590. Have you noticed any substantial temperature difference across the cooking surface? For example if you have to identical pork butts smoking will they both get done at the same time or very close to it?
 
I like the details above. I do have one question on the RT 590. Have you noticed any substantial temperature difference across the cooking surface? For example if you have to identical pork butts smoking will they both get done at the same time or very close to it?


While I have never tried cooking two pork butts on my RT590, I can tell you that every grill, ever outdoor cooker that I have, with the exception of the Otto Wilde and the Camp Chef stove to the right of the Kamado Joe, has hot spots.

I am very likely not alone in this assessment.

I have measured the temps on my RT590 at three different points at the same time and discovered that it tends to run slightly hotter at the center directly above the fire pot than at the right and left.

My old stick burner had hot spots as well. If you're concerned about them though, rotating your food from one side of the grill to the other may help.

I personally have not had to do this, as I get even cooking when doing say, a good side brisket on the RT590. The briskets in the pics cooked evenly and very well on my RT590.

But IMO, you're going to be hard pressed to find an outdoor cooker that will ready say, 225° all the way across from one side to the other and for several hours.

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Thanks.

I guess I will find out as I have an RT590 on the truck en route to me.

I did notice that the old Traeger Lil' Tex I had seemed to have much more consistent temps across the grill than the LG900, but the LG900 with a PID kept the indicated temp more constant. The Traeger had a centered fire pot and the LG900 has the fire pot on the left end of the barrel. My guess is the combo of the firebox at one end and the larger cooking area created the difference. Interestingly the hottest place on the LG was on the end opposite from the fire box. There was something like an average about 30F or more difference. So a set temp of 225F could be 205 to 240F. That is not up and down but constantly hotter at the right than the left.
 
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