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The data we have on swine flu is en total. We’ve JUST entered into this pandemic. I don’t think those are fair comparisons. Estimates indicate that this is 10x more fatal than seasonal influence, of which the H1N1 virus that caused swine flu circulates now.


“The U.S. has about 2.8 hospital beds per 1,000 people (South Korea and Japan, two countries that have seemingly thwarted the exponential case growth trajectory, have more than 12 hospital beds per 1,000 people; even China has 4.3 per 1,000). With a population of 330 million, this is about 1 million hospital beds. At any given time, about 68% of them are occupied. That leaves about 300,000 beds available nationwide.

“The majority of people with Covid-19 can be managed at home. But among 44,000 cases in China, about 15% required hospitalization and 5% ended up in critical care. In Italy, the statistics so far are even more dismal: More than half of infected individuals require hospitalization and about 10% need treatment in the ICU.

At a 10% hospitalization rate, all hospital beds in the U.S. will be filled by about May 10. And with many patients requiring weeks of care, turnover will slow to a crawl as beds fill with Covid-19 patients.”

 
I’m not saying stop enjoying life. I’m more interested in promoting social distancing and stuff.

My brother is 2 months away from being an ER doc. The ER and ICU docs are incredibly scared of this pandemic.

Anyhow, the best way we can enjoy life is to throw some meat on the cooker this weekend. Enjoy all!
 
I’m not saying stop enjoying life. I’m more interested in promoting social distancing and stuff.

Anyhow, the best way we can enjoy life is to throw some meat on the cooker this weekend. Enjoy all!


You are in Allentown and I am in Pittsburgh. . .I think we are far enough apart.

I'm glad you have finally calmed down.

Smoke on,

John
 
The data we have on swine flu is en total. We’ve JUST entered into this pandemic. I don’t think those are fair comparisons. Estimates indicate that this is 10x more fatal than seasonal influence, of which the H1N1 virus that caused swine flu circulates now.


“The U.S. has about 2.8 hospital beds per 1,000 people (South Korea and Japan, two countries that have seemingly thwarted the exponential case growth trajectory, have more than 12 hospital beds per 1,000 people; even China has 4.3 per 1,000). With a population of 330 million, this is about 1 million hospital beds. At any given time, about 68% of them are occupied. That leaves about 300,000 beds available nationwide.

“The majority of people with Covid-19 can be managed at home. But among 44,000 cases in China, about 15% required hospitalization and 5% ended up in critical care. In Italy, the statistics so far are even more dismal: More than half of infected individuals require hospitalization and about 10% need treatment in the ICU.

At a 10% hospitalization rate, all hospital beds in the U.S. will be filled by about May 10. And with many patients requiring weeks of care, turnover will slow to a crawl as beds fill with Covid-19 patients.”

Interesting quote that you posted. More or less a scare tactic. Fear is what is called. Look at the stock market. Driven by fear. There is no bankruptcy. Just fear. Which can be powerful. As in the quote above. Coronavirus is consuming our lives, we hear it on the radio, watch it on tv, hear it from our friends neighbors... the internet. Let’s do our homework, and use common sense.
 
I don't remember this much (media driven) hysteria for the H1N1 (aka Swine) flu 10 years ago.
This is close to Y2K panic of 20 years ago.
Odd thing is in other panics fuel prices went up. Gasoline dropped below $2 today.

Wife and I did our weekly shopping trip yesterday. Noticed most of the other shoppers were loading up on toilet paper.

Cleared out today... All milk, bread and all meat-gone off the shelves of all the area grocery stores from Coronavirus hysteria.
You have a little water issue that is fanning the flames?
 
No, I doubt the high mississippi river has any impact on what I am seeing at the grocery stores. LSU cancelled on campus classes yesterday are and going to online class for spring 2020. The Governor cancelled all school classes in the state until April 13th. That sparked the buying spree IMO.
 
This is a big deal. It’s time everyone started thinking about it that way too.

You bet your life! My wife went to Walmart today and most of the shelves were bare. Earlier I had pulled into the parking lot of a Fry's Market and couldn't find a space that'd fit my truck, the lot was packed so I just drove back home. We started following this when the reports from China first came out, seems everything that'll make you really sick just before it kills you originates there or in Africa. The fridge, garage freezer and pantry were already well stocked, we didn't have to get much extra to be good for the next 2-3 months. I filled up a half dozen 5 gallon gas cans to run two Honda 2000's if needed to keep the fridge and freezer going in case of power outage. I found my bigtime hazmat mask and box of surgical gloves in the garage today after a little searching. Now the word is to watch out for robbers, guys with no food or supplies who weren't prepared. I had a CCW permit issued from the state of California before we moved here, and non-resident permits for AZ and Utah, legal to pack concealed in 35 states. Before we moved nine months back I wouldn't have thought of going to my local Safeway without my S&W40 Shield tucked into my pants, too many gangbangers around in CA. Since we moved it's been so safe here I haven't hardly touched it but for drives up into unknown territory. I'm planning to start shopping for fresh food early in the morning on weekdays to save what we've got stockpiled. I'm planning to start packing a gun again when I go to the grocery store, I'm legal to do so. No one knows how bad this will get or how long it'll last. If it's all over in a week I still won't feel bad about being prepared, everything will get used in time. If it gets bad and lasts awhile we're locked down like a fortress in a house were real comfortable in. Being prepared isn't being paranoid or afraid, it's being ready for whatever may come, or hoping your ready. RAY
 
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You bet your life! My wife went to Walmart today and most of the shelves were bare. Earlier I had pulled into the parking lot of a Fry's Market and couldn't find a space that'd fit my truck, the lot was packed so I just drove back home. We started following this when the reports from China first came out, seems everything that'll make you really sick just before it kills you originates there or in Africa. The fridge, garage freezer and pantry were already well stocked, we didn't have to get much extra to be good for the next 2-3 months. I filled up a half dozen 5 gallon gas cans to run two Honda 2000's if needed to keep the fridge and freezer going in case of power outage. I found my bigtime hazmat mask and box of surgical gloves in the garage today after a little searching. Now the word is to watch out for robbers, guys with no food or supplies who weren't prepared. I had a CCW permit issued from the state of California before we moved here, and non-resident permits for AZ and Utah, legal to pack concealed in 35 states. Before we moved nine months back I wouldn't have thought of going to my local Safeway without my S&W40 Shield tucked into my pants, too many gangbangers around in CA. Since we moved it's been so safe here I haven't hardly touched it but for drives up into unknown territory. I'm planning to start shopping for fresh food early in the morning on weekdays to save what we've got stockpiled. I'm planning to start packing a gun again when I go to the grocery store, I'm legal to do so. No one knows how bad this will get or how long it'll last. If it's all over in a week I still won't feel bad about being prepared, everything will get used in time. If it gets bad and lasts awhile we're locked down like a fortress in a house were real comfortable in. Being prepared isn't being paranoid or afraid, it's being ready for whatever may come, or hoping your ready. RAY

Holy $hit, I'm glad I don't live where you live Ray. We just barely started locking our front doors. The only weapon I have in the house is a baseball bat from my little league days. I couldn't live in a place where I felt the need to carry a gun while grocery shopping.

Chris
 
More people are dying of the regular flu just saying.. people need to relax lol this ain't Ebola or weaponized smallpox...

This is just not true.

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Holy $hit, I'm glad I don't live where you live Ray. We just barely started locking our front doors. The only weapon I have in the house is a baseball bat from my little league days. I couldn't live in a place where I felt the need to carry a gun while grocery shopping. Chris

Where I live now in Gilbert, AZ ranks as one of the 25 safest city's to live in in the USA. Where I moved from in Elk Grove, CA started out as a small town and a great place to live that somehow grew to have over 60 recognized gangs with a population of about 180,000. We lived in a nice neighborhood that grew to have it's fair share of home burglaries, cars broken into, geez, I had my trailer hitch and a old dog crate stolen from my truck at night. The only time I've ever put my hand on my carry weapon was right after I got my hip replaced and was limping in the parking lot of a grocery store, some gangbangers in a parked car calling out for gas money. They're like predators, they look for the old, weak, and injured. I'll be 69 this year, have had both hips replaced and own a body full of arthritis, a prime candidate for a predator. I go to the range at least once a month and practice with both my 40's, I've always been a pretty fair shot. We live in a beautiful upscale neighbor hood, no crime yet that I've seen, and I imagine the Gilbert police department does a fine job protecting it's citizens. I don't feel the "need" to carry as much as it just make me feel a little safer and secure when I do. I'd much rather have a carry weapon on me and not need it than need one and not have it. CCW permits aren't issued to criminals, and criminals don't bother obtaining one. Can you dig it? RAY
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