Disbelief

[kilo charlie]

I do not visit this site much any more due to all the ads locking up my browser or my phone, but imagine my surprise when I visit today and see there are members being banned or threads locked because someone would not share a proprietary recipe or process.

Before you even think about attacking me, please ask yourself, if this is such a "family friendly" site, why are you all so offended by a proprietary process or recipe being protected by the owner? Think about how this site is funded and why there are so many advertisements. Do you think TulsaJeff is just going to give you all of his secrets?

I've contributed to this site by sharing my knowledge and photos and recipes, having had several of them "Featured" on the carousel. I've spent many hours asking questions etc and never been asked to share ALL of my secrets.

I will not be offended if this thread is locked or my account is banned as I not longer need to be a part of this "community" that can't actually support people without asking for their money or their proprietary recipes or processes.

 

[crazymoon]

KC, I guess I have noticed no bans/blocks ???

 

[pineywoods]

It wasn't because he wouldn't give up his recipe

 

[kilo charlie]

Scroll down the posts and you'll see a few threads that are locked. All by the same author and in every one of them the OP is being bullied by daveomak because he wouldn't share.

I don't like bullies and I for one have no problem pointing out that just because you've been around here a long time doesn't give you the right to stomp your foot and get the Admin to lock threads.

 

[kilo charlie]

pineywoods do elaborate then. From my point of view a fella was asking questions, just as we all do. And a senior member flamed everyone of his posts because he wouldn't share his information.. like 2 toddlers in a sandbox.

 

[pineywoods]

We don't discuss staff decisions but it wasn't just one staff member acting I will say that much

 

[kilo charlie]

So, the message to any new person who happens to come along, is that if Dave doesn't agree with them, they will be kicked to the curb. Got it.

There's a LOT of good people on here.. a ton of great ideas and information. The new people will just have to navigate through the bullies and the Admin who support their behavior.

Asking questions is not a crime.

 

[tx smoker]

I've contributed to this site by sharing my knowledge and photos and recipes, having had several of them "Featured" on the carousel.

I for one have thoroughly enjoyed your participation in the forum. In all honesty, although I respect whatever decision you make, I feel that the forum has lost a good member if you decide no longer to participate.

We don't discuss staff decisions but it wasn't just one staff member acting I will say that much

Over the past several years I've seen the staff be very tolerant of seeming indiscretions and given members in question multiple opportunities to change their approach to how they conduct themselves here. Knowing that, I feel confident that they do not make knee-jerk decisions to drop the ban hammer on somebody. Only guessing here but I'd bet that there is considerable discussion among the staff before somebody is banned. If my assessment is correct, there are most likely underlying issues that are not made public so the general membership only sees what happens on the surface, not the root cause of the issues. Whatever decision was made was done so in the best interest of the forum as a whole, not a single member.

Just my .02 and probably getting some change back,
Robert

 

[indaswamp]

As an Admin on another site, I can attest that there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes that members have no idea about. This is one of the best admin'ed sites I am a part of. I'll venture a guess that it is exactly as txsmoker has described. That is the way we do it on the forum I admin. There are no knee-jerk bans and there is a big discussion on every ban.

I do see how things can look from the member's point of view....but things are not always what they seem.....

Just my humble assessment from the outside looking in having been there....keep up the great work mods and admins.....it is a thankless job and at times it is like herding cats. I for one appreciate all you do here on this wonderful site.

 

[pineywoods]

So, the message to any new person who happens to come along, is that if Dave doesn't agree with them, they will be kicked to the curb. Got it.

There's a LOT of good people on here.. a ton of great ideas and information. The new people will just have to navigate through the bullies and the Admin who support their behavior.

Asking questions is not a crime.

Making assumptions about something you don't know about isn't a crime either. Even when your comments are not correct

 

[kilo charlie]

I for one have thoroughly enjoyed your participation in the forum. In all honesty, although I respect whatever decision you make, I feel that the forum has lost a good member if you decide no longer to participate.



Over the past several years I've seen the staff be very tolerant of seeming indiscretions and given members in question multiple opportunities to change their approach to how they conduct themselves here. Knowing that, I feel confident that they do not make knee-jerk decisions to drop the ban hammer on somebody. Only guessing here but I'd bet that there is considerable discussion among the staff before somebody is banned. If my assessment is correct, there are most likely underlying issues that are not made public so the general membership only sees what happens on the surface, not the root cause of the issues. Whatever decision was made was done so in the best interest of the forum as a whole, not a single member.

Just my .02 and probably getting some change back,
Robert

I appreciate your kind words (as well as the words in my PMs that people choose to not make public). I enjoy playing with my food.. probably more than I should. I spend a lot of time thinking about food and in my kitchen and outside with the smokers. A lot of stuff I don't post here simply because there's no smoke involved.

Mostly my problem with this site is the ads and how much they interrupt me especially if I am trying to post something step by step. That's the nature of this site. I won't ever pay for the ad free experience.

I'm not saying the Admin has made a knee jerk reaction - it seems to me that certain members are allowed to bully people and I can't stand that.

 

[negolien]

Sigh I have had 0 issues with either the staff or the site working. The tone of the post starts off with a big whiney cry baby complaint though so. Sounds like you just wanna whine so maybe just go somewhere else. Plenty of other sites that might fit you better.

As for the staff thanks for herding cats we know sometimes we all won't see eye to eye. keep up the great work.

 

[indaswamp]

possible ban worthy infractions:
flaming through pms.
stalking a member through pms
inappropriate promotion of a product without paying for a sponsorship
actual physical stalking of a members wife/husband
posting porn
,,,etc,,,etc......

 

[kilo charlie]

Making assumptions about something you don't know about isn't a crime either. Even when your comments are not correct

Perception.

And the perception I have is that bullying is tolerated if you've been around long enough. I'm not defending the OP - but for a member to be allowed to essentially stalk every post he made and post the same quoted " he won't share" post in all of them doesn't seem to promote the family friendliness of this site either.

 

[indaswamp]

...You can always spot the leader by the darts in his back.........

 

[culpepersmoke]

I was going resist commenting on this tread because for me personally, I’ve never seen any bullying nor have I experienced any. However you also said

Think about how this site is funded and why there are so many advertisements. Do you think TulsaJeff TulsaJeff is just going to give you all of his secrets?

It takes a lot to maintain a site like this and for me I wish Jeff all the success in the world. The ads are the price of free. Don’t like them, then buy a membership.

 

[kilo charlie]

I was going resist commenting on this tread because for me personally, I’ve never seen any bullying nor have I experienced any. However you also said

It takes a lot to maintain a site like this and for me I wish Jeff all the success in the world. The ads are the price of free. Don’t like them, then buy a membership.

I believe you misunderstood my statement. Jeff isn't giving away anything here because that's his thing. Just like the other guy shouldn't have to give away his secrets.

 

[flatbroke]

I believe you misunderstood my statement. Jeff isn't giving away anything here because that's his thing. Just like the other guy shouldn't have to give away his secrets.

That seems fair. I do not have a dog in the fight. But this seems pretty reasonable.

 

[tx smoker]

That seems fair.

I have to agree here. If a recipe is proprietary, a generations-old family secret, or the base of your livelihood, it should be kept close to the chest. Why give away the recipe that is used to make your living (if you're in the business) and suffer financially for the sake of giving it away? Personally I don't have any recipes that meet the above noted criteria but was honored to be the recipient of one from a forum member. It was basically that I did him a favor when he needed it and in return he shared the recipe but asked that I remain tight-lipped. Many times I've posted things where the food created was included in the thread and have gotten countless requests to share the recipe, which have all received the same reply: I'm sorry but I cannot share it. That comment isn't about me keeping my word. It's about respecting recipes that have a history and are not open for the masses to utilize. Heck, there are so many recipes posted here that a person couldn't make all of them in three lifetimes

Robert

 

[schlotz]

The point has been made (more than once), time to move on...I'm going to go smoke something