Bacon without Nitrites

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by mattyoc20, Feb 8, 2015.

  1. mattyoc20

    mattyoc20 Smoke Blower

    So my brothers wife just found out she is pregnant.  They love my bacon so for christmas i gave them about 10 lbs of bacon.  She went to the doctor and the doctor said she cannot have nitrates.  I am not sure what the difference between nitrates and nitrites are but im sure either one probably isn't good for her.  So my question is can bacon be made without nitrates or nitrites and if so what would the process be for doing so.  Thanks for the help.
  2. bmudd14474

    bmudd14474 Smoking Guru Staff Member Administrator Group Lead OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Well what did you use to cure the bacon you gave them?

    There are bacon's out there that say they don't use cure but in the fine print it states except those naturally occurring in Celery. Celery has natural sodium nitrite in it so its a natural cure.

    In the end even using celery its got nitrites. I haven't read if there is a major difference in the natural vs what we use in cure#1.

    Now the big reason they say to stay away from nitrates is the carcinogens that can be produced when nitrates are cooked at a high temp. Now that is another big debate in its self.

    Anyways if you don't use cure weather natural or not you just have uncured pork belly and its not the same taste IMO
  3. tropics

    tropics Smoking Guru SMF Premier Member ★ Lifetime Premier ★

    I bet your brother would be happy to give the bacon back, she will be okay without Bacon, for the time she is  pregnant. No need to take any kind of chance IMHO
  4. foamheart

    foamheart Smoking Guru OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    I say divorce her and keep the bacon, you have got to set the right priorities in life. Don't start spoiling her just because she's pregnant she'll start expecting it.
  5. bear55

    bear55 Master of the Pit

    Your brother still has to eat...
  6. atomicsmoke

    atomicsmoke Master of the Pit OTBS Member

  7. tigerregis

    tigerregis Meat Mopper

    Well,if she is pregnant, she is expecting!
  8. mattyoc20

    mattyoc20 Smoke Blower

    My brother said he is willing to sacrifice and eat it all himself.  Being the good brother that i am, i also offered to take it back
  9. daveomak

    daveomak Smoking Guru OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Did the doctor say, "Don't eat vegetables"...  nitrites left in meats, after cooking, are usually less than 100 Ppm...


    Nitrates in Vegetables

    The following information about Nitrates in vegetables was published by MAFF, Department of Health and the Scottish Executive before April 1st 2000 when the Food Standards Agency was established. Number 158, September 1998. MAFF UK - NITRATE IN VEGETABLES: Vegetables contain higher concentrations of Nitrate than other foods and make a major contribution to dietary intake. A survey of vegetables for sale in supermarkets was carried out in 1997 and 1998 to provide up-to-date information on Nitrate concentrations, to assess the health implications for UK consumers and also to inform negotiations on a review of the European Commission Regulation (EC) No. 194/97 (which sets maximum levels for Nitrate in lettuce and spinach).

    A study on the effects of cooking on Nitrate concentrations in vegetables was also carried out to provide further refinements for estimating dietary exposure. The vegetables were tested and the mean Nitrate concentrations found were as listed in the table on the right. For comparison the permissible amount of Nitrate in comminuted meat products (sausages) is 1718 mg/kg. If one ate 1/4 lb smoked sausage, the ingoing Nitrate would be 430 ppm. That would probably account for less Nitrates than a dinner served with potatoes and spinach.

    In the 1920’s, the government allowed the addition of 10 lbs. of Nitrate to 100 gallons of water (7 lbs. allowed today). The problem was that only about one quarter of the meat plants adhered to those limits and many plants added much more, even between 70 and 90 pounds. There was no control and as a result the customer was eating a lot of Nitrates.

    VegatableNitrate in mg/kg
    cabbages  338
    potatoes  155
    swedes  118
    carrots   97
    califlowers   86
    brussel sprouts   59
    onions   48
    tomatoes   17

    Cooking by boiling reduced Nitrate concentrations in most of the vegetables tested by up to 75 percent. Frying and baking did not affectNitrate concentrations in potatoes but frying caused increases in levels in onions. Dietary intakes of mean and upper range (97.5 percentile) consumers of these vegetables are 104 mg/day and 151 mg/day, respectively. These are below the Acceptable Daily Intake (ADI) for nitrate of 219 mg/day for a 60 kg adult set by the European Commission’s Scientific Committee for Food (SCF). There are therefore no health concerns for consumers. Ten years later in 2008 another British study concluded: “Our research suggests that drinking beetroot juice, or consuming other Nitrate-rich vegetables, might be a simple way to maintain a healthy cardiovascular system, and might also be an additional approach that one could take in the modern-day battle against rising blood pressure,” says Amrita Ahluwalia, PhD, one of the study’s researchers. Ahluwalia is a professor at the William Harvey Research Institute at Barts and The London School of Medicine.
  10. atomicsmoke

    atomicsmoke Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Your sister-in-law should ignore her doctor's advice and get it on this forums.

    (That was sarcasm).

    You can make smoked pork belly if you can smoke in cold (fridge) conditions. It won't taste like cured meat but is delicious.
  11. timberjet

    timberjet Master of the Pit

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    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member



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