AS A NEWBIE HOW DARE I??

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kc5tpy

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May 12, 2013
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I know I am new to this site and have plenty of special things I want to learn about but I have been grilling/smoking/Qin for about 40 yrs.  I do have a concern that has become apparent after joining this site.  My main concern is this;  Are we making it look too easy?  Many of the newbies don't seem to be reading the basic "how to's". As an example; I saw one newbie ask if he can use a galvanized smoke chamber for hot smoking.  Another asked if he used the wrong wood what's the worst that could happen?  I have done several bbq parties for my British friends and several can't wait to get started.  Build a fire.  Throw meat on.  Take meat off.  They usually burn sausages and burgers.  When these people say Newbie, many of them mean they have never even cooked a chicken leg on a grill or at least not without putting it in the oven first, ; and then they burned it.  We older folk among us may not realize that these people have NEVER been exposed to BBQ/Smokin.  I didn't realize that untill I moved here.  We don't want this to be a mystery, we want to share knowledge.  We want the youngsters to try but we need to stress safety and patience. I don't want to be the BBQ/SMOKER NAZI here, but I just am concerned folks try our methods and fail, get discouraged and we lose members or they actually make people sick.  Not talking lawsuit here; just educating people.  Maybe more attention should be paid to the newbie questions.  I know is easy to say: "been answered" "been answered" been answered"; but they don't seem to be reading.  We can only do the best we can and then is down to them.  Comments welcome.
 
Sometimes it's good to be one of the "older folks". We have been seasoned by our many years of birthday parties, family reunions, and Saturday nights out by the grill. We know a thing or two about outdoor cooking. Smoking meat to me seems more like an art than grilling. There's something special about tending to a piece of meat for 12 hours. Doing this and that...adding your own special touch that makes it yours. It's one of the very best joys in the world. Spread the good word my friend.
 
 
I know I am new to this site and have plenty of special things I want to learn about but I have been grilling/smoking/Qin for about 40 yrs.  I do have a concern that has become apparent after joining this site.  My main concern is this;  Are we making it look too easy?  Many of the newbies don't seem to be reading the basic "how to's". As an example; I saw one newbie ask if he can use a galvanized smoke chamber for hot smoking.  Another asked if he used the wrong wood what's the worst that could happen?  I have done several bbq parties for my British friends and several can't wait to get started.  Build a fire.  Throw meat on.  Take meat off.  They usually burn sausages and burgers.  When these people say Newbie, many of them mean they have never even cooked a chicken leg on a grill or at least not without putting it in the oven first, ; and then they burned it.  We older folk among us may not realize that these people have NEVER been exposed to BBQ/Smokin.  I didn't realize that untill I moved here.  We don't want this to be a mystery, we want to share knowledge.  We want the youngsters to try but we need to stress safety and patience. I don't want to be the BBQ/SMOKER NAZI here, but I just am concerned folks try our methods and fail, get discouraged and we lose members or they actually make people sick.  Not talking lawsuit here; just educating people.  Maybe more attention should be paid to the newbie questions.  I know is easy to say: "been answered" "been answered" been answered"; but they don't seem to be reading.  We can only do the best we can and then is down to them.  Comments welcome.
KC, evening.....  Well, I'm reading this thread you asked me to look at.....     Are you saying, "Folks here brush off "newbys" and "dismiss" their concerns ?????

I think I will let our members answer  comment about that question....
 
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I totally agree Dave!

I'm going to ask for new smokers (less than 1 year experience) to tells us about their experience with SMF. Did you get the help you needed or did you feel like you got brushed off or did you feel like people were talking way over your head?
 
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Yes, you are very new to SMF and for that reason you should do some more reading yourself. You'll find that members here are very helpful, friendly and take food safety seriously. I understand your intentions are good, but...

Edit: For the record. I'm not as helpful as I'd like to be.... I'm still learning and consider myself a rookie.
 
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I think and have seen that the members on this site are some of the most friendly and helpful people I have come across anywhere.  I am so very grateful for all the info I have learned from all the years of experience that been have passed on.  From the posts I have read, the members go out of their way to point people in the right direction. The written word can be a very difficult thing at times.  As you write it and reread it it sounds great to you because you know your meaning; others reading the same material get a totally different meaning.  I only meant to raise peoples awareness of the fact that so many new people have never seen or taken part in a bbq as we older folks know it.  I never thought that was possible until I crossed the Atlantic.  Most of us grew up watching Dad and/or Grandpa spending hours tending the fire for the family bbq.  That's how we began our journey into bbq.  Fetchin this and that ( usually a beer ), choppin wood, runnin to look everytime the door was opened, askin questions, and gettin the odd cooks sample.  Watchin.   Always watchin and learnin.  "I do it that way cause that is how I was taught".  I now find that many people have never had that experience.  I mean they have absolutely NO knowledge ( NONE ) of what they are doing or the health risks they might be taking.  It's like teaching them to boil water. I never thought that possible.  I only meant to point out that we need to be diligent in watching new member questions.  They read 1 thread and see the QView and they figure they are ready to start curing hams.  I'm sorry if I have offended anyone on this site.  That wasn't my intention.  From what I have read, you folks are a great bunch of people.  Folks I'd like to sit around a campfire with and exchange stories of the old days.  I doubt anyone will read this but as I seem to have upset folks on this site; I won't be posting further comments.  Thanks soo very much for all your help.  Keep Smokin!
 
I don't think you have "upset" anyone here, I think you are new and should maybe just spend some time and see just how helpful the older members are to the new smokers. I for one knew nothing about smoking when I joined and I read a lot and posted a lot of basic questions and I have learned a lot from the Great members here.
We welcome you to keep posting and sharing your knowledge but give us a few months to see how much info and help is given to new smokers. Hang out, post and read and I think you will see how helpful this forum really is!
 
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KC, There is no reason to leave although I do think you jumped the gun with your comment. While it is true that the odd post will get missed we, as a whole, check to see question get answered even if it's too late. You say you have 40 years experience, then you are a Prime candidate to help us keep this the best Smoking Site for accurate information! Hover over the word FORUMS at the top of the page and a drop down box will have the word UNANSWERED. Click on it and join us in passing on our knowledge. As far as Food Safety and giving Quality Education...There are no better than the members here! There are several Chef's and Highly Educated members, that spend countless hours putting out the most accurate information, techniques and recipes. We are here to... Pass on our Art and Keep it Safe... I am a classically trained Chef/Culinary Arts Instructor and a Certified ServSafe Instructor. I have only seen one other site that has a Moderator/Member dedicated specifically to looking for inaccurate information and Food Safety issues. I am backed up by hundreds that I have learned from and hundreds more that I have taught. Technology of both Electronics and this Site are making it easier every day to post Video of our cooks and there is more of that happening. So yes over time we will get away from what may be misinterpreted words  to quality Video. We are here to help...BUT...Individual Responsibility is of great importance and MUST go hand in hand with the Great Effort the Members here put in! Only a FOOL would read one thread on Curing a Country Ham then go get a Hog Leg, dip it in Salt and hang it in the Garage of his house in the Louisiana Bayous in July!...No negative reflection on my Bayou Brothers as this was the topic of a recent discussion reflecting the members dedication to being Safe and getting educated in proper technique and timing. I think with more time you will find no better place than SMF to Learn and Teach...JJ
 
Great comments folks.  Thanks for the "unanswered" tip Chef Jimmy.  By the posts I knew many here were professionals.  Believe it or not I have come across some who think *dip in salt and hang it in the garage" is that simple after they see the finished product.  People seem to be in a rush now a days.  They don't do their homework.  Guess we must strive to educate those lucky enough to find this website.  I just wanted to raise awareness.  Thanks folks.  Keep Smokin!
 
I totally agree Dave!

I'm going to ask for new smokers (less than 1 year experience) to tells us about their experience with SMF. Did you get the help you needed or did you feel like you got brushed off or did you feel like people were talking way over your head?
Feedback from a new smoker? That's meeee!

I started smoking last November, and had absolutely zero experience in it. To make it easiest, I bought an electric smoker, which (I thought) would require no skill to use.  By reading posts and asking questions at SMF, I first got my smoke quality where I wanted it. Then I progressed from knowing absolutely nothing to hot smoking: ribs, PP, brisket, fatties, ABT's, leg of lamb, tri tip, nuts, summer sausage, and pastrami. I can cold smoke bacon and cheese.  SMF made this possible.

Aside from having an experienced smoker standing at my shoulder offering advice 24x7, I can't imagine a better resource for "newbies" than SMF. The willingness of knowledgeable folks to answer questions in posts and by PM is amazing.  I've absolutely never felt brushed off.

Thank you to everyone for your help and for this forum!

Clarissa
 
I'm pretty new here compared to many, and pretty new to smoking as well. When I first joined here, I feel that I was welcomed and received a ton of help getting started. Some of the folks who were the most helpful are sadly no longer around, but many others have picked up the baton and are helping new people along.

From the other side of the coin, as someone who has been here a couple years now and spent a good bit of time on this site, the same old questions getting asked over and over again by people with 1 or 2 posts can get a tad tiresome. Sometimes it's necessary to gently let someone know that we're not here to specifically answer their one question. A little reading, some discussion and pretty soon you have another contributing member. The beauty of this forum (for me anyway) as opposed to others is the overall sense of community. Like any gathering of people, there are ways of doing things that work better than others. New people should (and definitely do) feel welcomed, but also be reminded if necessary that it's a 2 way street. 
 
KC, Dave, JJ, All

The term "newbe" is absolutely relative to each and everyones individuals experience  Fact is that it we are all newbies at something discussed on the wonderful forum.  I supposed thats why it exists. ...So all can learn.  And we all have our own reasons for participation. Right? We have folks like the lovely Nurse Snorkel that has just begun and at the other end, numerous competition folks at the highest  level to outer space and make my head spin.

As for me. I have a love to cook. Sunday dinners are a big deal. A time when the kids come over and everyone stops to catch up and discuss whats going on in their life. I'm here to learn and make sure this Sunday dinner is better than last Sundays dinner. 

"Are we making this look too easy?" No. I purposely posted a quick and easy turkey smoke last week. And I hope I expressed just how easy it was to present... One thing I know about the human critter is that they like "easy".  They prefer easy over difficult every time. And if you can show how easy it is, maybe more folks will participate. And in my mind that is a great thing.  Once comfortable and successful that will most likely challenge themselves.

And as for you Mr. KC5TPY... If you walk off this forum I'd really be ticked! ( Texan for upset)  Because  I'd like to learn more about UK Barbecue. 

Now I've got to unwrap my ribs. You folks are the best. b
 
KC--it seems, based on responses, that there are several ways to read your inquiry.  I read it as "What is the best way to provide experience appropriate education and support to our members along the wonderful and complex journey of mastering Q"

If that was your intent, I think addressing it can only help our wonderful forum!

I think one of the difficulties in learning Q is its complexity...with all the information here, I sometimes see 'noobs' getting caught in the details before they've mastered the basics (which seems to be one of the things you try to point out).  I think Jeff's done a wonderful thing in trying to solve this problem with his 'smoking basics e-course'.  Perhaps another idea (that I've seen used successfully in other types of forums) is to separate sub-forums based on experience.  Eg Basic, Intermediate, Advanced.  Of course anyone would be welcome to post anywhere, but it might futher help new folks get the builing blocks before worring about the minutiae.

I dunno...just my 2 cents...may be too difficult to impliment, but it seems cool to think about...
 
Spot on Doc.  What I attempted to say only better! 
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Well I will give my input as a newbie. Have been cruising the site for a couple weeks getting ideas and finally joined today. Cooked my first Boston butt today and all I can say is thanks and wow
 
As a "newbie", my impressions of the site:

Before I found this place I smoked my first Boston butt and thought it came out fantastic.  I've got more than a few years behind the grill and understand it takes time and experience to perfect cooking meat in various ways.  Once I found this site, I introduced myself and was welcomed warmly.  I've spent most of my time since just reading and learning.  There is SO much to learn and I never realized having a smoker basically means endless possibilities on cooking/curing meat but many other food stuffs.

Just a couple of examples of what I've learned:

1.  Never knew I had a problem of "not enough smoke" with my MES until I found out about the Retro-Fit kit on here.  I thought, perhaps, my smoker wasn't putting out enough smoke but that first butt came out good.  Maybe not smokey enough, but very good.

2.  Learning about the Retro-Fit kit, I contacted the company and they didn't hesitate to send me one.

3.  Never thought about using a remote thermometer for IT until this site.  I always just poked the meat on the grill with a probe thermometer before.

4.  Looking forward to smoking various cheeses and butter, though that will have to wait for winter down here.

5.  Never even knew one could turn an elk roast into pastrami!

And I am looking forward to learn so much more.  I've been on a few forums over the years and have learned to research and read before asking a question.  Most of the forums I've been on tend to be geared towards vehicles and hunting/firearms.  I'm somewhat of a "veteran" on a couple of them and understand the newbie asking a question that has been asked and answered many, many times.

I'm trying not to be that newbie and hopefully can add to the forum rather than just soak up as much information as I can!
 
I  hope n pray that i have never said anything or answered a question from anyone new or old that made them feel unwelcome. No matter how many times we answer what temp should i smoke at ? There will be the same question tomorrow.

 We all were newbs at one time. maybe we didn't have the luxury of having answers at our finger tips via the web. We may have had to watch dads and grandpas and uncles and the old men at the hunting / fishing camp and ask questions when allowed. But we were newbs. Down here in south Louisiana Boys learn to cook just like girls . sometimes at mama's side in the kitchen .But most times by watching and helping the old men at the camp..
 
I'm a newbie to smoking meat, but I have been grilling all sorts of things for over 30 years.  Indirect heat was not new to me, but the slow cooking, long times and smoking was something I've never done. I've eaten more than my share, I just never had the equipment to do it. I will admit I got a cheap grill smoker combination.  I didn't look here before buying the unit, I just happened upon a very good sale, and I needed a new grill. The smoker/side burner was a plus.  I did find this place while looking for something to try for my first smoking.  With information here, and a really good sale on a pork butt, I had my first choice made for me.  It turned out wonderful after a 10 hour smoking/cooking time.  Not the best I've had, but it ranked right up there since I made it.  

So far a wonderful site to visit, but every time I get here, I end up getting hungry....
 
I'll be coming up on my 5-year membership in a few months. I THOUGHT I knew how to smoke pork spare ribs, which was an annual event for a block party every 4th of July for several years, before I joined SMF. I smoked a couple chickens and a turkey or two as well, but again, didn't really have the knowledge I needed to do it safely. In a nutshell, I was one of the guys who could grill just about anything, but didn't get very creative, and smoking was more of a seldom used cooking method which I knew little about.

As I began my real journey through smoking after joining SMF, things changed drastically for me and also turned into a fast-paced frenzy of smoking and grilling, cooking in charcoal-fired dutch ovens (a new venture for me)...smoking, and outdoor cooking in general, became an obsession...learning how to smoke safely and produce great meals became a labor of love and I held myself to very high standards where there was little room for error and failure was (still is) not an option. Shortly after joining and really getting into my groove, I turned out some crazy-good eating food, and this went on for over 3 years. New recipes popped up in my threads on a regular basis. I've slowed down in the last year or so, due to many life-changing events (nothing to do with the forum or all of our great members), but I do still hold my own. My main focus recently has been new methods to produce consistently better smoked foods with the equipment I have in my arsenal, and pass these methods on to others willing to learn and use them. I do still crank up the spice grinder for a new recipe on occasion, but advanced methods for backyard smoking are my main interests at this point. Throughout all of that, and to this day, I try to pass on tips, methods and recipes to any and all takers. I try to actively seek out HELP NEEDED threads, as well as any which require some coaching in food safety or the many other topics which may come up requiring a bit of tutoring.

Sometimes I may come out with excess information in a post, far above the basics which many may not fully understand without knowing my background, and that may cause some confusion to those new to cooking low & slow, grilling, etc. I try not to make a habit of that, but I also know that others reading the thread may miss that information if I don't bring it out in the open, so I tend to divulge more information than necessary at times, but with good reason.

So, we smoke, we learn, we pass on knowledge, as it should be...if we miss someones question or potential issue it is not intentional. If Anyone's thread does go unanswered for an extended period of time, I would encourage them to bump it up on the list by just stamping it with a simple "any takers?" and hopefully someone with experience in that particular situation can get things rolling for them...anything to get someone to read it will likely get it answered. If something is important enough to a member that they posted a new thread, they intended to get a response, and any threads we find unanswered deserve consideration...and even those we find which are answered that we can refine current statements or add additional information for a more complete overall answer to the question or issue at hand, is helpful.

I came a long way from the lowly smoker I was back in August 2008...thanks to everyone who walked me through some issues and all their posts that inspired me to take my skills and passion for outdoor cooking to another level with every visit to one of my cherished smokers. As time passes, I pay it forward, as I'm sure we all do, and even the "newbies" will as well, when their confidence, knowledge and skills are more developed...and so, the cycle continues with every visit we make to this great forum.  We're all one great big family of almost 50,000 (!!!) and growing, and we take care of each other like family should. BTW, we were only ~17,000 strong when I joined just short of 5 years ago, and this forum has only been running since 2005, if I recall...that's what I call progress in getting the word out and keeping our craft alive and well...we're growing more and more every day.

BTW, I welcome anyone to PM me if they don't get the information they wanted from a thread, or have an idea that they want to pursue, but don't quite know how or where to start. If I don know or can't find what they need, I'll solicit help from other members who I think can help. I'll help them find what they need if it's handy in a post or article that I know of already, and do my best to provide supporting links to that information when possible. If I can't find it, I'll do my best to steer them in the right direction with personal attention to their specific needs...if it's just a nudge in the right direction for something new they want to try, I'm all for it. Unfortunately for me, in spending so much time trying to help others, I miss a lot of what other members have posted about their successes, so I have to find a better balance to be able to find more of others posts instead of just relying on my own personal experiences...(sigh)...and so it goes. I aim to provide others with the means to succeed, just as many others have done for me. When we can take all of this to build our skill level and confidence, and when we begin to see the results, there's more room for our creative side to surface, and that's when we can really soar to new heights. I have experienced this, and the satisfaction is a high that no drug can compete with, trust me...all thanks to others here on SMF, and I hope that someday, everyone who visits this site will experience at least a taste of it.

Keep your smokers warm and happy, your freezers full, and your sights on learning and helping others do the same!

Eric
 
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