A Confession

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Smoke-Chem BBQ

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First, a declaration of the enormous amount of respect I’ve developed for the many fine bakers on this forum! How you do what you do amazes me.

My confession? I hate working with dough. I hate the feel of it, the weird texture, and most of all, the infernal stickiness! I’m not even a fan of trying to stretch out a bag of premade pizza dough to fill a skillet, and the forays I’ve made into scratch-made dough, primarily here: https://www.smokingmeatforums.com/threads/summer-throwdown-winner.333132/#post-2600343
and here: https://www.smokingmeatforums.com/threads/a-pizza-tour-of-the-midwest.333519/
have been infuriating.

For Christmas, my wife gave me a copy of the Pizza Bible, and incredibly detailed reference on how to make the great pizzas of the world, often taking three days to make a pie (kneading, bulk fermentation, degassing, balling, second rise), then trying to coax it into a disk, top and bake, but that sometimes becomes 4 days for recipes requiring a starter for the dough. It’s best not to be hungry when starting out to make pizza in the ways of the old masters…. The book does give all the tricks for working with dough: when to work on a dry marble surface, when to work on a floured marble surface or peel, how to mix the right flour to use for dusting, when to keep the dough cutter and bowl scraper dry, when to use them wet or oiled, how to get dough off of the pan, how to detach plastic wrap from it. As I said, it is an incredibly detailed book. And none of the tricks work.

I’ve got a shop filled with all manner of adhesives, various cyanoacrylates, epoxies, aliphatic glues, hot glues, PVAs, contact cement, spray adhesives, silicone resins…and I’m a little familiar with dental adhesives and the protein glues that mussels and limpets make to stick themselves to undersea rocks. Working with any of them is child’s play compared to trying to make dough without it sticking together every surface with which it comes in contact.

I’m convinced that if one ever needs to instantly and permanently bond two sheets of polished Teflon together, the best product to use would be the wheat paste that results when water hits flour.

/Rant Off

The ordeal did result in some might fine pizza, in particular an incredible crust. The book opens with a 'master class', 30+ pages taking one through the process of making one pepperoni, and one white pie with arugula, cherry tomatoes, and prosciutto.


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Yuppers, great bread takes time and very little 'man made' yeast (if any).

The first attempts are a learning curve. Then when you get to high hydration (100% for example), it's a whole new learning curve.

Practice makes perfect !
 
Hope you don't mind , I rotated your pic . Great looking pizza !
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It's a curve for sure . Takes practice and just doing it . A lot of things effect the outcome , but Knowing what it will be , and not what it is at the time of mixing helps alot .
I've heard that's a great book . I had my pizza dough down ,,, and the last few times it didn't come out . So I need to regroup .

I’m convinced that if one ever needs to instantly and permanently bond two sheets of polished Teflon together, the best product to use would be the wheat paste that results when water hits flour.
Lol . No kidding . That's why I wash or soak any bowls or tools used before the dough dries on it . Stuff would make a good sidewalk .
 
Nice looking pies.

I am also "dough challenged". I go with the plain and simple and try to not get too hung up on the more traditional methods of making dough's for pizza and bread. Maybe I'm just lazy........The homemade pizza still tastes better than most of the chain pizza's.
 
That book is outstanding. If you take the time and do what he says, you will get perfect pizza every time.
 
Nice pies
I'm not happy with my dough but my wife keeps requesting it when she's not on a wheat restriction due to seasonal allergies
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I’m convinced that if one ever needs to instantly and permanently bond two sheets of polished Teflon together, the best product to use would be the wheat paste that results when water hits flour.
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AKA wall paper paste

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Lol . No kidding . That's why I wash or soak any bowls or tools used before the dough dries on it . Stuff would make a good sidewalk .
My wife gets mad at me for the dough residue on the dish towels. That stuff doesn't wash out
 
Nice pies
I'm not happy with my dough but my wife keeps requesting it when she's not on a wheat restriction due to seasonal allergies

AKA wall paper paste


My wife gets mad at me for the dough residue on the dish towels. That stuff doesn't wash out
Use a bigger bowl and/or a shower cap. Dough will rise/won't dry out and the cap can be 'puffed' up so no contact with the dough.
 
That book is outstanding. If you take the time and do what he says, you will get perfect pizza every time.
It is indeed an outstanding book. Incredibly detailed and illustrated. We decided to go all-in on doing it by the book, spent about $250 to get those items on his minimum equipment list that we didn't already have (mostly two massive Solido pizza stones, plus a nice wooden peel that warped hopelessly into a U the first time we used it, and a much-needed replacement of our kitchen scale with one that can do metric). I joked when we made the second pizza that we had now amortized the cost down to $125/pie.

His ingredient list in challenging...he has two full pages of specific flours that he uses in his restaurants and in competition. Can't find any of them at any of the three supermarkets and two gourmet markets we use, but I think the King Arthur 00 pizza flour we used worked out fine. Similarly, he has a table of the tomato products he uses in his restaurants and in competition, but includes a column for acceptable supermarket brands. Can't find any of those either, other than Contadina tomato paste, but Contadina doesn't make the cut in any of the other categories. But I think we did OK with the substitutions.

I think I'll wait a week, then repeat his two Master Class intro pies to gain some more experience before tackling any of the other many recipes.
 
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It is indeed an outstanding book. Incredibly detailed and illustrated. We decided to go all-in on doing it by the book, spent about $250 to get those items on his minimum equipment list that we didn't already have (mostly two massive Solido pizza stones, plus a nice wooden peel that warped hopelessly into a U the first time we used it, and a much-needed replacement of our kitchen scale with one that can do metric). I joked when we made the second pizza that we had now amortized the cost down to $125/pie.

His ingredient list in challenging...he has two full pages of specific flours that he uses in his restaurants and in competition. Can't find any of them at any of the three supermarkets and two gourmet markets we use, but I think the King Arthur 00 pizza flour we used worked out fine. Similarly, he has a table of the tomato products he uses in his restaurants and in competition, but includes a column for acceptable supermarket brands. Can't find any of those either, other than Contadina tomato paste, but Contadina doesn't make the cut in any of the other categories. But I think we did OK with the substitutions.

I think I'll wait a week, then repeat his two Master Class intro pies to gain some more experience before tackling any of the other many recipes.
I get Tony's (the author) blend of flour from Central Milling on line. It's a blend that he designed for use in his restaurants. 13 time world champion in the Naples competition, and they won't let him compete any more. The guy knows pizza. I highly recommend his flour. If you get on their email list, they run good sales occasionally. That's when I stock up. I keep my flour packages sealed in a large container in the garage refrigerator and the keep a long time.
 
I get Tony's (the author) blend of flour from Central Milling on line. It's a blend that he designed for use in his restaurants. 13 time world champion in the Naples competition, and they won't let him compete any more. The guy knows pizza. I highly recommend his flour. If you get on their email list, they run good sales occasionally. That's when I stock up. I keep my flour packages sealed in a large container in the garage refrigerator and the keep a long time.
Thanks for the tip on Tony's email list and flour source. The book cover list him as a 12-time world champion, so it sounds like he kept the string going after publication. Funny that they have since banned him from competing.

I did just make two more pies, following the full recipe he gives in the 'master class' introduction to his book--the 'easy' ones efore he gets into the more involved recipes... As before, they are quite good, especially the crust, but I figure they took about 5 hours of prep time and 2 hours of cleanup time over the 3-day process he outlines. It's sobering to think one could cook a brisket, low and slow, in 1/3 the time it took to make these pies.

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Thanks for the tip on Tony's email list and flour source. The book cover list him as a 12-time world champion, so it sounds like he kept the string going after publication. Funny that they have since banned him from competing.

I did just make two more pies, following the full recipe he gives in the 'master class' introduction to his book--the 'easy' ones efore he gets into the more involved recipes... As before, they are quite good, especially the crust, but I figure they took about 5 hours of prep time and 2 hours of cleanup time over the 3-day process he outlines. It's sobering to think one could cook a brisket, low and slow, in 1/3 the time it took to make these pies.

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Nice job! Those look great. Speed will come as you go.
 
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