2nd try at Sour Dough = 1 Win + 1 Loss, Hot Cross Buns, Boule

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DRKsmoking

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2nd try at Sour Dough = 1 Win + 1 Loss, Hot Cross Buns, Boule

This took over 2 days with the mixing and rising and proofing and cold fermentation. Also doing both things during the same time

The Boule :
I still do not have my Dutch oven , so found a recipe for a stone in oven

The Levain was 80/80/80 , 4 hour rest. then made the dough . All the stretch and folds, and everything over two days. Final day today out of cold fridge final roll and fold and into the oven on a hot rock. I might have slashed 8 minutes before ready to go in oven, as the slashes seemed to go away.

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Out of fridge today, tuck and roll and onto the paper.

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Into oven, (I know glass a little dirty )

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Now this is where the problem started , about half way through, the Goyer started and seemed to come out of the end. I watched it get bigger and bigger , oh well.

Will let cool down and slice if it will, lol

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The Hot Crossed Buns :

Love me some desserts , so tried this first. Glad I did. This also was over the same two day time frame.

Made the levain first , then the recipe once it was ready . i doubled the batch to make 2 dozen.

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I used raisons as not into currents, chopped them some ands soaked in vanilla extract and little water to plump up. Made the dough, let rise for 6 hours, roll out long and cut into 92 gr am pieces. Tucked and rolled . Lit rise for another 18 hours almost double in size.

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Next day when ready, Today. Made a honey wash instead of egg before going into the over. 350 deg.


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Out of the oven when they reached IT of 190 deg. and topped after 5 minutes with an orange glaze.

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After cooled down ( hard not to grab 1 or 3 ) added the Cream Cheese frosting I made .

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And the inside was cooked great, and tasted very good, and than the crows , I mean women, came in and started eating. lol

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So it was a win for the Hot Crossed buns, and a loss for the Boule.

So I will say a good couple of days of baking and learning. Back at it soon

David
 
the rolls look killer, the loaf im sure taste great! sometimes they have a mind of their own and look a little strange. it will still make great sami's! looks like you are hooked?
 
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the rolls look killer, the loaf im sure taste great! sometimes they have a mind of their own and look a little strange. it will still make great sami's! looks like you are hooked?

Thanks Dave for the comment

The hot cross buns are fantastic, made too many, so I froze a dozen for another day.
As for the bread, yes it sliced ok , but the bread is a little tight, not a lot of air in it.
And yes I am hooked for now lol

David
 
DRKs, I think both items look very tasty! Once the boule is sliced it will be perfect, should make excellent toast.

Thanks Dave for the like and the comment

Yes the buns are fantastic, and the bread sliced ok and ok as toast , but heavy and too tight, maybe had to cook or proof a little more . This is a learning process for me . And a fun one.

David
 
2nd try at Sour Dough = 1 Win + 1 Loss, Hot Cross Buns, Boule

This took over 2 days with the mixing and rising and proofing and cold fermentation. Also doing both things during the same time

The Boule :
I still do not have my Dutch oven , so found a recipe for a stone in oven

The Levain was 80/80/80 , 4 hour rest. then made the dough . All the stretch and folds, and everything over two days. Final day today out of cold fridge final roll and fold and into the oven on a hot rock. I might have slashed 8 minutes before ready to go in oven, as the slashes seemed to go away.

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Out of fridge today, tuck and roll and onto the paper.

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Into oven, (I know glass a little dirty )

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Now this is where the problem started , about half way through, the Goyer started and seemed to come out of the end. I watched it get bigger and bigger , oh well.

Will let cool down and slice if it will, lol

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The Hot Crossed Buns :

Love me some desserts , so tried this first. Glad I did. This also was over the same two day time frame.

Made the levain first , then the recipe once it was ready . i doubled the batch to make 2 dozen.

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I used raisons as not into currents, chopped them some ands soaked in vanilla extract and little water to plump up. Made the dough, let rise for 6 hours, roll out long and cut into 92 gr am pieces. Tucked and rolled . Lit rise for another 18 hours almost double in size.

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Next day when ready, Today. Made a honey wash instead of egg before going into the over. 350 deg.


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Out of the oven when they reached IT of 190 deg. and topped after 5 minutes with an orange glaze.

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After cooled down ( hard not to grab 1 or 3 ) added the Cream Cheese frosting I made .

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And the inside was cooked great, and tasted very good, and than the crows , I mean women, came in and started eating. lol

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So it was a win for the Hot Crossed buns, and a loss for the Boule.

So I will say a good couple of days of baking and learning. Back at it soon

David
Man I wish I had the "baking gene" those cross buns look awesome.
 
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Thanks Dave for the comment

The hot cross buns are fantastic, made too many, so I froze a dozen for another day.
As for the bread, yes it sliced ok , but the bread is a little tight, not a lot of air in it.
And yes I am hooked for now lol

David
regarding the bread...I have seen a well timed perfectly prepared boule turn out ok, and I have rushed one I thought would bomb that came out best ever. so many factors in the outcome. Worst boule I made turned out looking like round focaccia. tasted fine, but very dense. the more you make the more better outcomes.
 
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Slashing the dough should be done just before entry to the oven. Slashing is done to control the oven spring. Too early, as you found out, allows the bread surface to reconnect, if you will, thus allowing the bread to seek out the weakest area of the loaf to expand; yours happened to be towards that end.

As for the tight crumb, how you handle the dough after bulk fermentation is usually the culprit. Be gentle when turning out the dough and doing your final shaping

Hope this helps…Jarhead
 
Looks like you got a nice rise out of that loaf not using a D.O. It'll push the lid off when you do get one :emoji_wink: :emoji_thumbsup:

Thanks for the like and the comment

Yes , it was a good rise , but still I think a little tight.
And yes , but if a cast DO I don't think it would push it up, but maybe make a big mess inside the DO, lol

Thanks

David
 
regarding the bread...I have seen a well timed perfectly prepared boule turn out ok, and I have rushed one I thought would bomb that came out best ever. so many factors in the outcome. Worst boule I made turned out looking like round focaccia. tasted fine, but very dense. the more you make the more better outcomes.

Thanks Dave, This is all a fun new learning curve for me . And I get to eat the end products, good or bad lol

" practice makes almost perfect, " so I will have to just keep at it

David
 
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Slashing the dough should be done just before entry to the oven. Slashing is done to control the oven spring. Too early, as you found out, allows the bread surface to reconnect, if you will, thus allowing the bread to seek out the weakest area of the loaf to expand; yours happened to be towards that end.

As for the tight crumb, how you handle the dough after bulk fermentation is usually the culprit. Be gentle when turning out the dough and doing your final shaping

Hope this helps…Jarhead

Thanks for the comment

you are right there, I mentioned that I thought I scored it too soon before going in the oven. And yes I bet it was me handling it too much after the cold ferment then into the oven.

All information helps, I would be the last one not to take some ones helpful hints and info, so thanks.

David
 
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Open crumb has its drawbacks when achieved in loaf bread you are slicing. My wife gets frustrated when cutting into a loaf like the one below because the butter and jam, or other condiments, drip on her.

Breads that are “hamburger sliced” horizontally work fine because the top or bottom of the crust keep all the goodies contained; for those days I make ciabatta (second picture).

As for using a Dutch Oven, once you have the techniques in hand, it makes little difference in the crumb whether it’s done in a DO or on a stone or on a cookie sheet. DO’s do help with spring but I’ve made outstanding bread using several cooking methods.

Keep at it, the journey is worth it…Jarhead
 

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They both look great, but those hot cross buns look fabulous!

I fear you've developed an addiction there David... But that's okay, the house smelling like amazing fresh baked bread won't hurt anyone!
 
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Open crumb has its drawbacks when achieved in loaf bread you are slicing. My wife gets frustrated when cutting into a loaf like the one below because the butter and jam, or other condiments, drip on her.

Breads that are “hamburger sliced” horizontally work fine because the top or bottom of the crust keep all the goodies contained; for those days I make ciabatta (second picture).

As for using a Dutch Oven, once you have the techniques in hand, it makes little difference in the crumb whether it’s done in a DO or on a stone or on a cookie sheet. DO’s do help with spring but I’ve made outstanding bread using several cooking methods.

Keep at it, the journey is worth it…Jarhead


Thank you , and I have read that also about not needing the DO for all the sour doughs.
And what you say makes sense, and I am like your wife , not crazy about the big holes. for certain breads.

My first attempt was with SD sandwich bread Last week , and we all loved it here.
Used 1 glass and 1 metal loaf pans. They were nice and light and tasty.
And the grilled cheese was great.

David
 

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