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1st butt question hope I didnt screw it up

Discussion in 'Pork' started by racincowboy, Feb 26, 2011.

  1. I have two butts on and I had a heat issue part way through and a sleep issue so to speak. Here is how it went down. Put butts on at 11pm and tended them until 330 am. Around 6am I woke up to an alarm from my et732 I looked and the smoker temp was down to 160 and the butt IT temp was 136 and it was at 146 when I went to bed.

    So my question is food safety wise should this be ok?

    I am planning on taking these to 165 then double foil to 205 for pulled pork.

    I am hoping that I instituted my own kind of artifical stall. But I want to hear from the experts.


    P.S. I will have to see if I can steal the wifes I phone. Anyone know how to post Q view pics from an I phone?
  2. ellymae

    ellymae Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    I an no expert, but I think you are OK. You got the internal temp to 140 within 4 hours. How long did it take to get it back up to 140?
  3. you should be okay from my understanding. I used to work with a registered dietitian and he always stressed food safety. Of course a lot depends on how long it was below 140, but I believe as long as you cook it fully you're in the clear. 
  4. adiochiro3

    adiochiro3 Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Technically, you made it through the danger zone to 140* + in the four hour window.  But I've never seen any info on dropping back INTO the danger zone after that.... hmmmm.  [​IMG]   I guess that technically means you should toss the buggers. 

    Here's the qualifier, and it's ONLY my humble thoughts on the matter -- not a recommendation:
    1. they only dropped 4* below the danger zone after they spent a fair amount of time above the danger zone
    2. those butts were probably not back in the danger zone for long
    3. you're planning on taking them to 205*, which would likely sort out any issues that may have developed
    Assuming your food handling protocol prior to smoking is appropriate, I personally would finish them and consume them, especially if those butts were brined first (killing surface bugs with salt & further reducing chances of spoilage).  That is a risk I personally would be willing to take under the circumstances you describe; however, I would not serve this to anyone else until I had experimented on myself.  Others on this site might think I'm nuts for even considering this.

    Ultimately, it's your call.  The cost of a couple of butts weighed against making anyone sick (including yourself) is tiny next to the cost of getting sick.  If you're not comfortable with it, toss them.  Lesson learned.
  5. rbranstner

    rbranstner Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    I was under the impression that the 40-140 in 4 hours went both ways. You have 4 hours to get over 140 and then once is goes back down below 140 you have 4 hours to get it back over 140 or under 40. Hopefully someone can confirm or deny this statement.
  6. It only took about 1hr and a half to be back over 140. So I guess I will do some more research and if in doubt too much then we will toss em and start over. And make it a lesson learned.
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2011
  7. I am going to take these to 210 in foil and give it a try I think being in foil and over 205 degrees Internal temp should be ok and take care of anything caused by my downward heat spiral. So I will give it a go and see what happens. Thanks for all the help guys and gals
  8. SmokinAl

    SmokinAl SMF Hall of Fame Pitmaster Staff Member Moderator OTBS Member ★ Lifetime Premier ★

    I would not toss them. If you passed the 140 mark in 4 hours then dropped below for less than 4 hours, then took it to 205 I think you are alright. I guess to be really safe I would have my best buddy taste it & if he wasn't barfing in a couple of hours I think it's gonna be good!  [​IMG]
  9. beer-b-q

    beer-b-q Epic Pitmaster OTBS Member

    I agree with SmokinAl...
  10. nozzleman

    nozzleman Smoking Fanatic

    "I was under the impression that the 40-140 in 4 hours went both ways. You have 4 hours to get over 140 and then once is goes back down below 140 you have 4 hours to get it back over 140 or under 40."

    I agree, I just wouldn't push the limits to far past this. I have before and was fine though.
  11. scarbelly

    scarbelly Epic Pitmaster OTBS Member

    I agree with Al