i am very cunning, i just told a friend of mine that his very old apple tree needs some of the big branches pruning out of it ( it does realy need it though ) because its getting to thick ,and i told him i would do it for him and and i could use the wood that i cut out for my smoker , he agreed good idea , but he wants me to wait untill winter , ah well i can wait a few months.scored a pecan tree the other day too.been dead for a while though.about a year or so i think .