Thank you Brian! I really appreciate the offer but I'm scrapping this entire effort for right now. I make buns for my burgers and rye in the bread machine for my Reuben sannys, that's enough bread for now. I emailed that dough company and told them their stuff was garbage, they'll probably want to send me more. I could have made pancakes for a family of four with all the batter I've tossed, I've had it. RAYI would be happy to send you some of my dried starter Ray. I could also make a stiff one for shipping and just need to add some water to it. Also don't use tap water.