Pork Loin Questions 2

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Oleg

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ok,
brined pork loin for 48hrs.
smoker temperature 185-195
IT 145

Came out juicy but individual meat fibers are a little tough. I do not think lowering IT to 140 would make a big difference (please tell me if I am wrong). What else could be done? I have another piece in the same brine that will smoke in a couple of days to allow brining for 5 days.
 

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First of all, if the safe Temp is 145° IT, why would you think about cooking it to 140°?

Am I right in assuming you cured this, and that is why you're Smoking it Very low & Slow at 185°-195°?

If it's not cured I would use at least 225° Smoker Temp.


Bear
 
Questions:
Why are you brining Loin for 5 days??

And if you mean your Curing for 5 days---That's not long enough.

Bear
 
First of all, if the safe Temp is 145° IT, why would you think about cooking it to 140°?

Because it's still feels overdone.


And if you mean your Curing for 5 days---That's not long enough.

The piece that I am curing is 2.5" thick. at 1/2" per day I came up with 5 days.
 

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Because it's still feels overdone.




The piece that I am curing is 2.5" thick. at 1/2" per day I came up with 5 days.


I repeat---If the safe temp is 145°, you should not cook it for any less than 145° IT.

So you did mean "Curing".
If you're talking about curing, don't say "Brining".

Somebody else will have to help you if you're using a "Wet cure", but I'm sure 48 hours or even 5 days is too short.

I use a Dry cure & I don't cure anything less than 8 days, without injecting.


Bear
 
What did you use for a brine.
And what were you trying to achieve.
Are you just trying to get more moisture & flavor in the meat or are you making Canadian bacon?
Did you use cure #1, or just a bunch of spices?
Al
 
So you did mean "Curing".
If you're talking about curing, don't say "Brining".

I understand. My apologies for not using the proper terminology. I just thought that CJP is viewed as a spice vs. cure by most members of the forum. Saying curing would be misleading to them.
 
ok,
brined pork loin for 48hrs.
smoker temperature 185-195
IT 145

Came out juicy but individual meat fibers are a little tough. I do not think lowering IT to 140 would make a big difference (please tell me if I am wrong). What else could be done? I have another piece in the same brine that will smoke in a couple of days to allow brining for 5 days.

Do a quick search for "Pop's Brine". That'll answer most of your questions, I think!
Good luck
 
I understand. My apologies for not using the proper terminology. I just thought that CJP is viewed as a spice vs. cure by most members of the forum. Saying curing would be misleading to them.


Where does it say you used "CJP" ?
I would say, I'f you want to cure it, Cure It by using cure.
Most members of the forum don't use Celery Powder for curing. I even had to look up what CJP meant, but I've only been here 9 years.

Like Bill said (above), If you want to do a soaking Brine Cure, check out Pops' Method.
It's easy & tells you how much to use & how long to soak.

Bear
 
John, this is Oleg's first attempt at using CJP. There were previous posts on the issues with CJP and collectively, recommendations for safe use were provided. We already beat up Oleg for messing with this stuff.
Ok, to the matter at hand. Curing 1/2" per day is, generally, for Dry Rub Curing and Brines with a salt concentration of 1Cup Salt per Gallon water.As the amount of salt is decreased, it takes longer for dispersion and osmosis to move the salt and Cure throughout the meat. I too prefer low sodium brines, 2%, and go by the commonly recommended 7 days per inch thickness.
Texture wise, Toughness in lean meat, like a Loin smoked to 145° is more determined by the meat itself. Since loin does not have the connective tissue or fat content of other pork cuts. The age of the animal at slaughter will have an impact. Younger is more tender. Not to mention, sometimes no matter what you do, a given piece of meat may just be Tough. The next may be Butter Soft cured and cooked by the exact same method.
The ONLY thing to worry about in whole muscle pork is Trichinosis. Modern Hog Husbandry has eliminated worries over Trichinella from reputable produces. Additionally cooking pork to 131° and holding it there 6 minutes, kills the parasite. As does 140° for 2 minutes and 145°F for 60 seconds. Seems most rest meat longer than these times carrying from the smoker to the dinner table and carving. So even eating Med/Rare Pork isn't an issue, if you like that doneness. If anybody is still worried Freezing following the parameters below, kills Trichinella just as effectively as cooking.
Oleg, you can try cooking the next piece less, 140°F, but it will be more pink and may not be any more tender...JJ

Freezing kills Trichinella spiralis larvae in pork. Pork less than 6 inches thick can be made safe if frozen to minus 20 degrees F for 6 days, -10 degrees F for 10 days, or 5 degrees F for 20 days. However, freezing might not kill other species and types of Trichinella found in wild game, such as bear, wolverine or fox.
 
Oleg,
Now that I've been accused of beating up on you:
Please allow me to clarify.
I wasn't beating up on you for using CJP.
In your original Post, you just said "Brining"---You didn't say you used "Cure" or "CJP", just that you "Brined it for 48 hours, and that you were going to Brine the other one for 5 days.

That's why you had me confused & I asked all the questions.
If you were just brining for moisture & tenderness, I couldn't figure out why 5 days.
And if you meant "Curing", 48 hours or even 5 days wasn't long enough.
So go back & see when you first said you were using CJP in your Brine.

Bear
 
Now that I've been accused of beating up on you:

LOL, it's perfectly fine. I think I have thick skin and the wisdom that all members are generously sharing is well worth the criticism. After all it's for my own safety.

So, I can keep the other piece of loin in cure/brine for 10 days if necessary. The question is if it's necessary to make it safe to eat or to change the taste/texture of the final product.
 
Oleg , I read thru your other threads . When I read the first post of this one , I was even more confused . This is not meant to be rude , mean or un friendly . Just seems that there is something being missed by you .
 
Oleg , I read thru your other threads . When I read the first post of this one , I was even more confused . This is not meant to be rude , mean or un friendly . Just seems that there is something being missed by you .

Hi Chopsaw, I do not see any criticism on this forum as people being rude. I very much appreciate everyone's effort to help me learn to smoke meat in a safe manner. At this point I am looking for super simple recipes to understand how different variables affect the final result. Honestly I still do not understand what exactly happens when you cure meat. How quickly bacterias are killed, does it change meat flavor, how it affects the meat color etc.
 
Hi Chopsaw, I do not see any criticism on this forum as people being rude. I very much appreciate everyone's effort to help me learn to smoke meat in a safe manner. At this point I am looking for super simple recipes to understand how different variables affect the final result. Honestly I still do not understand what exactly happens when you cure meat. How quickly bacterias are killed, does it change meat flavor, how it affects the meat color etc.
Hey , glad you didn't take it wrong . All the things you listed , are things you should understand ,,, but you already have meat in the cure , without knowing why you are doing it , or what to expect . That's why I said something . Make no mistake , the guys here taught me how to do it , and it was not over night . I read stuff over and over , and asked questions , then read some more . You don't want to use cure 1 , that's fine , but you might need to understand how it works before you use the CJP .
 
John, nobody accused you of anything. I said WE beat him up already!

My response was an attempt to save you, and your passion for accurate use of the most common and safe curing additives, from rehashing what was already covered...JJ
 
Alright, Post #4 has an attachment with wet brine/cure recipe. Any suggestions on how to proceed if it's salvageable?
 
Just let the second piece go longer. Say 14 days. This will make sure the salt and Cure has done their job. With any Brine, with Cure or not, Salt is used as a tenderizer and modifies the protein structure so it retains more moisture. All is no lost...JJ
 
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