IS THIS A RIP OFF OF THE AMNPS

Discussion in 'Slicers, Grinders, Tools, Equipment' started by red adaire, Jan 4, 2015.

  1. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Last edited: Jan 14, 2015
  2. cmayna

    cmayna Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Seller closed the transaction. 
     
  3. mdboatbum

    mdboatbum Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    i believe the sawdust maze smoker was being sold out of the UK before Todd started selling them.
     
  4. Not in any way similar to the AMNPS though. This one I pointed out is identical.
     
  5. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Todd has the patents.

    And I believe was first.

    Bear 
     
  6. wade

    wade Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Hmm... Redhill... not far from me. I wonder who it was. They claimed that they only had 10 so maybe they were not the manufacturer. 
     
  7. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    I read that differently:

    They said "More than 10 available".

    I took that as between 11 and Thousands---Or more.

    Bear
     
  8. wade

    wade Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    They have taken them offline now anyway
     
  9. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    The one I'm looking at says "Ended Jan 4".

    Bear
     
  10. gravey

    gravey Smoke Blower

    It does look more like the A-Maze-N Smoker. Much more so than the Pro-Q from the UK, which I bought before I learned about the better - American made version!
     
  11. wade

    wade Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    I e-mailed the guy cappadona86michal [[email protected]] and innocently asked him if he was going to have any more for sale. His response was

    "Hello, we start sell it on again on monday. We let you know."

    The message has been copied and pasted exactly as received in his reply e-mail.
     
  12. atomicsmoke

    atomicsmoke Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    UK registered patents?
     
  13. I would be willing to bet that this item wouldn't actually ship from the UK.
     
  14. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Todd told me one time, but I forgot.

    US Patents, and it might have been International too, covering UK.

    Bear
     
  15. wade

    wade Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    I did try to check on the Patent position a year or so ago as, when we could not buy them over here in the UK, I was looking to make something similar to sell. To be honest I could not find any reference to the A-maze-n Patent then with either the UK Patent Office or with Espacenet (which supposedly searches through  patent records from 90+ countries). Although the only reference to the Patent I can find is the mention of it on the forums I believe Todd when he says it is there. Maybe it is filed under some obscure reference and whoever is making these copies has not been able to find it either.

    In any event I decided not to build to sell so that I did not to incur the wrath of anyone on here. Maybe Todd could to have a conversation with the US Patent Office to check whether his Patent is covered "Internationally".

    editited to clarify the wording in the last paragraph.
     
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2015
  16. atomicsmoke

    atomicsmoke Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    I am no patent lawyer but the fact that a US patent can be referenced in UK does not offer any protection. A third party won't be able to patent the product in UK but it won't prevent them from making/selling a similar product.
     
  17. wade

    wade Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Maybe one thing driving this copy is the price that the AMNPS are being advertised for here. I know that you can buy the AMNPS 5x8 shipped to the UK direct from Todd's site for $70.24 however the only other obvious source I can see for purchasing one in the UK is through Amazon at a massive £88.20 (~$135) . Now that is some exchange rate!.
     
  18. wade

    wade Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    It should tell you whether it was an International Patent. I am not sure whether it would show up if it was US only though. I could not find any reference to it at all though.
     
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2015
  19. wade

    wade Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    I also have a Pro-Q and have never got on with it. Others seem to have some success with it but for me it produces a piddly amount of smoke and keeps going out.
     

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