FREAKIN A!!!!! MES took a crap I think

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jimalbert

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Oct 30, 2009
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Lehighton, PA
In the first quarter of my Pork Loin Smoke and my MES isnt getting an internal temp of more than 185!!!!!!!!!!  WTF.. Anyone else have any issues with this?  I would assume the heating element is taking a crap but what are your thoughts??  Now I need to either put it in my propane GOSM or call my buddy for his MES.... What a day for this thing to take a crap on!

Let me know your thoughts,

Jim
 
OK... Well either I spoke too soon, or it took that long for the temp of the smoker to go up because the meat wasn't at room temp when I put it in.  If that is the case, I definately learned something today.  I put it in at 12:30 and the IT of the pork is 103 and the smoker temp is finally 212 and climbing.. Maybe it was just the temp of the meat and the fact that it is 35 degrees right now!  Happy new years everyone BTW!

Jim
 
 
Jim,

Cold meat, cold weather, cold smoker equals slow heat up.  From a physics standpoint, heat travels to cold and vice versa. So the heat from your element hit the cold meat on the way to the internal sensor and your temperature reading was slow to respond. Placing the meat above the internal sensor might help somewhat, but the cold tends to sink towards the heating element(the opposite of heat rising) and would have the effect of chilling the sensor somewhat.  Try setting the meat out 30 to 60 minutes prior to popping it in the smoker (just don't let it get warm) so that it is cool rather than cold to the touch. I never preheat my electric smoker but you could give that a try. Regardless, unless your unit fails, Q is done when it is done.  You have a MES and from what I read in these threads, the temp reading is not that accurate, so get a reliable temp probe to monitor the smoker and the meat.  And good luck.

Happy new year to you as well.
 
It gets mighty cold here and I've found that if I preheat my MES 40 for a couple of hours at 275 the cabinet seems to hold heat much better. I ran it at 3 below overnight outside and never had an issue with low temps. I also threw a blanket over the door and backside for a bit of wind protection.
 
Thanks everyone.  All worked out in the end but I have used this particiular MES and another previously with no issues ever.  I seriously thought the thing died.  I even changed out the extension cord (I made a new one that was the perfect length to reach the smoker) because I thought that maybe I had some voltage drop somewhere.  Not the case.  Thanks everyone.  I will put a post in the pork section with the results as wells as a post in the sausage section for some of Bearcarvers beef sticks.

Thanks Everyone,

Jim 
 
Jim

Do you have the MES 30 or 40?

MES 30 has an 800 watt element

MES 40 has a 1200 watt element

Even though the MES is insulated, it may have a difficult time keeping up with extreme cold temps

I can use mine effectively down to 20°, but it works really hard to maintain a 225° temp

A moving blanket seems to help

TJ
 
It was 15 below zero this morning when i fired up my MES 40 to make some ribs for the Rose Bowl Party this afternoon...when it is that cold i preheat for a solid hour and never have problems with it holding heat. That being said i have my smoker in a out building for the winter so wind is not a factor.
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Preheating the MES is essential once the temp drop below 45º or even higher for 800 watt MES 40 units like mine.  If you stick meat that is at room temp into a MES that sat outside all day or night and the temp is say 32º, very little cooking is going to happen until the internal metal is heated up to 100 degrees over your meat temp.  In addition there is heat loss, so a considerable amount of BTUs are going to just maintaining internal temps as well.  A thoroughly pre-heated MES, will start cooking immediately, however a certain percentage of BTUs are going to heat loss, so the cooking times will get extended a little.

My MES manual is in bold letters "It is not necessary to Pre-heat this unit".  That statement is clearly wrong.

To understand a little better how my MES 40 (800 watt unit) worked, I would keep notes on my cooks, now I only do it if I'm cooking lots of meat.  The notes would have the time, internal temp from Mes controller reading, internal temp from external Probe, Meat temp, if I added chips, notes.  I would make notes very 10 or 15 minutes, Usually after the cook had been going 2-3 hours I would only make a notation every 30 minute. If I opened the door I would go back to every 10-15 minute notes.  Anyway, I noticed that the recovery time to set temp after the smoke had been going 3+ hours was real short, instead of 20 minute recovery times like during first hour +, it was 5-10 minutes recovery.  So I started pre-heating my MES40 and I didn't have the recovery issues others complained about before Masterbuilt increased the wattage on the MES units.

If you do a heat calc on the MES the 800 watts is more than enough BTUs to achieve 300º at 25º outside ambient based on MES 40 cabinet size.

---My perspective on what happened regarding MES wattage increase---

What happened though is so many SMF - MES owners and other MES owners complained about slow recovery and initial ramp up to set temp, that MES relented and increased the element wattage.  What most MES owners didn't do is their homework or pre-heat.  The MES heating element wattage/per cabinet size was already higher than the competition.  Most of the electric insulated cabinet smoker brands for similar size cabinets were using 400-600 watt elements, and of course reading through those brands owner forums there were lots of complaints about recovery.  The end result was even several of the popular / more expensive brands had to increase their wattage too because of Masterbuilt, perspective buyers started comparing the wattage, and the makers had to respond or lose sales.   Bottom line, had MES owners pre-heated their MES units properly and ignored the MES manual, there still would be the lower wattage elements. 

In addition my opinion, the high wattage has been the source of a number of problems, The smaller chip tray and extra piece of metal to keep the extra heat from quickly burning up the wood chips.  I am guessing but I would bet that especially the MES40 with 1200 w element with the retro fit kit or the piece of metal removed on small wood chip tray, can't achieve TBS, because the chips just burn too fast, so owners not wanting to have to add chips every 10 minutes use 2 to 3 times the amount of chips they need, which then for sure will not produce TBS.  Some have complained that the frequent on/off cycling prevents the chips from having good combustion which again prevents TBS.

Along comes Todd to the rescue with his wonderful AMNS & AMNPS, and now the MES owner can go hours without having to tend to adding wood chips every 10-30 minutes. 

If Masterbuilt was smart, they would go back to the basic unit (no window, no meat probe, regular water pan, no wheels), put the $$ savings into increasing the thickness (gauge) of stainless inside the MES, and allow the controller to achieve 350º, you can't do this with the current thin gauge stainless it wants to buckle.  Then you could easily cook/smoke chicken and achieve a crisp skin.  Also the bark on several of the larger meat we smoke would be drier and not mushy ala more traditional style.  The current element wattage can achieve that 350 temp or close too it.

JM2C
 
My MES manual is in bold letters "It is not necessary to Pre-heat this unit".  That statement is clearly wrong.

If Masterbuilt was smart, they would go back to the basic unit (no window, no meat probe, regular water pan, no wheels), put the $$ savings into increasing the thickness (gauge) of stainless inside the MES, and allow the controller to achieve 350º, you can't do this with the current thin gauge stainless it wants to buckle.  Then you could easily cook/smoke chicken and achieve a crisp skin.  Also the bark on several of the larger meat we smoke would be drier and not mushy ala more traditional style.  The current element wattage can achieve that 350 temp or close too it.

JM2C
I am with you on both of your 2C. I always preheat and add hot water. I hope we will not find any other issues with the 2 Gen units like this.

But it looks like most of us have figured out all the issues on the 1 Gen MES. There are going to be just as many on the 2 Gens to come.

Thanks to deltadude for all your great input. 
 
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