Brined about 5-6 hours, 4.5# bird. Had some CSR's and brined them just the same as the bird. brine has maple syrup, dijon, CBP, oregano, cloves, rosemary, old bay,smashed fresh garlic and ginger, sparkling cider and water. light coat of olive oil, paprika and pepper for the bird, regular rub for the CSRs in they go with my first pastrami and some brats, set at 250. I think she came out real pretty! thanks for looking.